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Timber Reserve Bill SF219

The fee is based on your residence. If you live in the county with the “reservation” it’s $2/acre. Bordering county, $3/acre. Farther out it sounds like it will be taxed as “ag” ground. My guess is that they are wanting to collect from NR’s that aren’t having to pay anything due to the current system.
 
Thank goodness it’s not a proposed “tax” it’s merely a “fee”

For a state that already has so little habitat, and it’s shrinking further every day…what kind of nitwit proposes an incentive to landowners destroy more trees and habitat for a few more dollars in the general fund…and the nitwit in this case in an (R). DUMB, DUMB, DUMB! I’m sure the career politicians (jeepers they’re wise) will put the “fee” (not a “tax”) dollars to great use. Smh

There needs to be a universal law that NO ONE shall be allowed to hold any elected office for more than two terms. Then they need to get their arses to work, like the rest of us, and actually make a real contribution to society.
 
seven twenty said:
The fee is based on your residence. If you live in the county with the “reservation” it’s $2/acre. Bordering county, $3/acre. Farther out it sounds like it will be taxed as “ag” ground. My guess is that they are wanting to collect from NR’s that aren’t having to pay anything due to the current system.
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Yeah, I get the first 2 options. The third one with some equation based formula using some average is the one that irks me. So I’m three counties away from my property (in iowa mind you) and I’m now going to pay the same rate as a NR? I can’t make that make sense….. I’m not a huge hunter, and if they remove the current timber reserve law and start taxing timber recreational ground as regular property, up go the leased hunting signs. The current program does not allow leasing hunting rights and I’ve always let friends and family hunt, this will probably change if they scrap the program
seven twenty said:
The fee is based on your residence. If you live in the county with the “reservation” it’s $2/acre. Bordering county, $3/acre. Farther out it sounds like it will be taxed as “ag” ground. My guess is that they are wanting to collect from NR’s that aren’t having to pay anything due to the current system.
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This is the handiwork of the FB...they want local FARMERS to own the land, ALL of the land. They are even against Iowa residents owning land in counties where they do not reside.

OK, alrighty...let's get it on FB. We should raise prices in "the city" for all of the "country bumpkins FB members" that come to town to buy their goods, etc, etc, etc. The FB REALLY needs to be taken down a couple of pegs.

Or how about we just start taxing the farmers based upon the chemicals that they allow into the watershed...and I mean REALLY tax them hard. Let's go FB.
 
Daver said:
This is the handiwork of the FB...they want local FARMERS to own the land, ALL of the land. They are even against Iowa residents owning land in counties where they do not reside.

OK, alrighty...let's get it on FB. We should raise prices in "the city" for all of the "country bumpkins FB members" that come to town to buy their goods, etc, etc, etc. The FB REALLY needs to be taken down a couple of pegs.

Or how about we just start taxing the farmers based upon the chemicals that they allow into the watershed...and I mean REALLY tax them hard. Let's go FB.
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But Daver, we will all starve..... :rolleyes:
 
For every dollar they raise with the TAX increase, we can domino this out where it literally will cost “us” people & state 5-10x the value they pull in.
Economics 101…. Tax what you want less of….
Let’s say, 1 million dollars in TAX revenue…. On top of a county like mine where our taxes have about doubled in last 4-ish years….
We are already losing forest even with FR. It absolutely will speed this up. This will have a cost to the $180m deer hunting economy!! This will cost us way way way way more in soil loss, pollution & measures to solve pollution. It will cost us in unknowns from more health issues with more ag & water issues. At the same time, the government will be issuing state or federal dollars at >$600 per acre to plant trees in critical need areas. We will have more folks sign up for Tree CRP if able (which is GOOD) but that pays out $150-300/acre VS them trying to make a few bucks more in taxes.
This absolutely will hit the rural counties the hardest. The poorest counties. Which counties are the poorest with lowest incomes????! The counties with the poorest soils & TREES!!!! I know a gazillion people that barely squeak by financially in these regions. $500 to $1000 more - when their taxes already went way up- is a big deal to these folks!!! Urban counties can laugh this off… rural counties will get hit hard!!
More folks will lose permission on farms for 2 reasons: 1) we leased the farm out to make up the difference or 2) there ain’t no trees!!! We dozed em!
The ONE line item this will impact alone: hurting the $180m deer hunting economy is the single reason alone that makes this bill cost more than it will bring in. Factor in all the other downsides…. This bill is a HUGE net $ loser for our state - period. I’d say x5-10.
This is 100000% all farm bureau!! No logic!!! They hate TREES, animals and anything that isn’t a corn or soybean field. They could care less about hunting economy & they don’t realize they are hurting their own constituents. “Pay your fair share” they say… ok farm bureau…. I’m a farmer …. The group that pays 0 in sales tax while everyone else pays 6-7%. How bout we pay our fair share?!?!
 
Oh jeez you brought the tax stuff ... that sheet drives me crazy how if I rent, I pay no taxes and a farmer owning 100s of acres helps fund a multi-million dollar turf field where no kid will see D1 but sure does look nice and has no kid in the school.

Since everyone hates Facebook...:)

Where do you get acreage insurance from? State Farm? I'm finding a few companies don't insure over 10 acres
 
I write above & simmer on this as I drive around seeing countless dozed fields & fresh piles of trees to be burned EVERY DAY. Like- I could take pics with my phone TODAY & post 6-12 different farms. As it sits - TODAY- with FR in place… we are losing timber in sensitive areas & more is being lost than being replaced. Largely due to several years where corn came off of $3.50 & went to 4’s to 7’s.
& 2nd…. $ in hand from all the printing of $ that went on, past farm profits & the wealthier of the farmers getting more wealthy (no issue with them making $- just stating facts)…more $ to spend.

We live in the MOST transformed state of the 50.

Really, if we wanted to make sensible policy that would have NET economic benefits & environmental benefits + benefits that are hard to quantify (beauty of forest for example) …. We would not just say “u get FR & no taxes if you don’t doze out ur timber”. We would say, there’s a $2-3 tax credit on timber!!!! We wouldn’t tax it- we would give tax credits or some incentives. & I’m a small government, low taxes type of guy. BUT- economics are crystal clear on this. There’s investments states can do, on occasion, that pay in dividends…. This is one of them. For each junk acre that shouldn’t be farmed we save in trees- more to $180m hunting economy. Far less costs in pollution, water issues, clean up, erosion, etc. Less we need to spend on $600-800 tree plantings or $150-250 CRP programs. Beauty, recreation, hiking, enjoyment in nature, etc

The #’s absolutely would reflect that we would be far better off giving tax incentives on forest VS raising taxes on forest in a state & at a time when we are losing our vulnerable forests, soil & wildlife with it,
 
What drives me the most crazy about the people with dozers...is they are pushing out water ways or river banks that in a year or less what they just dozed has a 4 ft ravine in or the river just got 4' wider. Just mind-blowing the common sense. Can't plant crops in them there trees kid. Not planting crops there either now.

Ask again..if FB is one moving and shaking...who does one use to not fund the lobbyist but still get reasonable services
 
bwhnter4life said:
What drives me the most crazy about the people with dozers...is they are pushing out water ways or river banks that in a year or less what they just dozed has a 4 ft ravine in or the river just got 4' wider. Just mind-blowing the common sense. Can't plant crops in them there trees kid. Not planting crops there either now.

Ask again..if FB is one moving and shaking...who does one use to not fund the lobbyist but still get reasonable services
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It’s all about instant gratification and the me me me attitude that has taken over this world. It’s sickening!
 
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