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sofakingfast_1

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You guys are talking alot on here about thinning out the deer heard, how too many doe isnt good. What should the buck-doe ratio be? The reason im asking is because i bow hunt this place outside of macomb and every time i go out i see a TON of does. Ill be sitting a half hour and have does surrounding me in every direction. The most bucks ive seen in one sit down was 3 but i called 2 of them in. Theres times ill see 4 or 5 different groups of does with 3 or 4 in each group in one 10 acre field. I would say thats too many doe isnt it? And why is it bad too have too many doe? Take it easy on me im still learning here......
 
I beleive they say 3 doe-1 buck ratio is the best.My math says your numbers aint to bad. If you see 3 bucks,4 groups of does X 3 = 12. Consider that you probaly did'nt see all the bucks in the area your can't be far off? Too many does eat more crops and hit more cars are the two biggest complaints.
Sounds like you have a good spot.During the rut they say hunt where the does are and the bucks will show up.
 
ya the guy who owns the land said he totalled up the damage the deer did this year. Out of All his fields surrounding the little chunk of timber he had 17 acres of ruined crop from deer. he said it gets worse and worse every year. thats a bad deal for him so next time im out there im going to ask him if he minds if i kill 4 or 5 does. maybe that would help him out???But i do know Im ready to go shed hunt it ASAP!!! This was my first year on the place and i only hunted the fields around the timber. I got access to hunt it in october and i figured tromping through the heart of the place wouldnt be a good idea at that time of year. That sure wasnt easy though!!! Im glad theres a little sattelite up in the sky that shows me aerial maps of the land. VERY handy.


By the way thanks for the info flatlander. I didnt know about the 3to1 ratio. Sounds right though. Maybe being surrounded by does all day is a good thing?! other than not being able to move because theres 24 eyes within 50 yards of me! haha
 
I'm not really sure .The ground in Iowa can carry so many deer. I really think its the amount of crop damage that would rule the no. of deer ground can carry.For deer quality its letting the little guys grow . I know a bunch of does doesn't look good ,but during rut thats why the big guys come around .
 
Although I am by no means an expert in this field, I have done a-lot of reading about it. Deer densities and deer management go beyond the simple idea of crop damage and availability of food sources for a certain amount of deer per property. Having a bunch of does on your property during the November time-frame will definately increase the amount of bucks lurking around. However, most mature bucks hanging out in an overpopulated doe area won't have to do much looking around to find an easy date for few days. Bucks jumping from doe to doe, without covering much ground stand a-lot better chance of not being shot as opposed to a buck with a limited amount of does in his home turf. An overpopulated area can often be harder on a mature buck as he is forced to tend estrus does possibly throughout a 3 month time frame as does that aren't breed the first go around come back in a full cycle later. The rut and winter are hard enough on mature deer alone, without having to spend a fourth of the year doing what he feels he needs to do by making sure all the does have been breed. Overpopulated areas tend to have a lot of does breed at later times, in turn giving those new fawns a later start at life, which in turn makes them smaller and less healthy as opposed to those born one or two months earlier. Most of you have probably seen this from time to time. You can definately tell a later born fawn as opposed to one that was born from an early November breeding. Think how much tougher things will be on it during its first winter if it's already behind one or two months and 10 or 20 pounds. Doe/Buck ratios can be argued from many different points, but I know I want to see a 2/1 average. I think the overall group will be healthier, crop damage may be a little less noticeable, and most importantly I think I'll see more bucks cruising during November looking for does. Like I said, I'm no expert, just my two cents.
 
There is a good article in the current issue of deer and Deer hunting magazine about the doe to buck ratio, the writer seems to think some of what we have been told does not compute. an interesting read.
 
Man i love this site.......all i have to do is post a question and within 12 hours, several well respected people will give me a very reasonable and sensable answer im looking for. gotta love it.
 
I look at it this way.... depends on what kind of hunter you are.

I dont care if I see a lot of deer during a sit, some guys do.

I think the less does that are out there, the more competition the bucks have and the more posibility they are going to come running to the "fake" calls I have made to them by another "intruder" who is trying to steal their limited mating chances. So any time I get there will be a arrow flying in my woods that I am hunting if a doe comes within range.

Just my opinion
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteveO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I look at it this way.... depends on what kind of hunter you are.

I dont care if I see a lot of deer during a sit, some guys do.

I think the less does that are out there, the more competition the bucks have and the more posibility they are going to come running to the "fake" calls I have made to them by another "intruder" who is trying to steal their limited mating chances. So any time I get there will be a arrow flying in my woods that I am hunting if a doe comes within range.

Just my opinion </div></div>

I agree with that also. During the morning i love the most. November 3rd, it was about 730 and there was a few does way out on the other side of the cut bean field. So i decided id do some rattling with my primos rattle bag. I rattled for a few minutes and about 5 minutes later a real nice white racked 10 pointer came walking along the fenceline towards the cut field. I grunted and had his attention and he was heading my way. Next thing i know he somehow spots those does and completely forgets about me. i wanted to yell at him and say HEY COME BACK IM NOT DONE WITH YOU YET. but he was locked on those does he wouldnt even turn his head and respond to my calls. SO, if i would of took care of those does and had em in my freezer already maybe i would of had him. nah, who am i kidding. i would of aimed at his heart and end up blowing a hole through his ear.
 
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