teeroy, I actually have found them to be loud. Mine work good for a mid morning locator call. I have made some out of gobbler and jake wings. They have good sound, but usually people make them with hen wings. The only hen yelper I ever tried was a lot easier to use than my gobbler yelpers. I was able to cluck, yelp, and got even got a kee-kee-run out of it. Still wish I would have bought it. I had a guy in Florida make one for me. It was a great deal. If you sent him 2 turkey wings he would keep one for himself but make for you and ship it back. Very nice work. It has a nice finish with colored thread at each joint, and a lanyard. If anyone is interested I can look for his add. to see if he is still doing it. Did I mention he did this for free for sending him the extra wing? Good deal.