hoosierhunter
Active Member
Unfortunately most all politicians are hypocritical disconnected lying fools regardless of their party. It's amazing how much common sense both parties lack. America needs a miller high life wake up call.
letemgrow
PMA Member
Yeah both sides leverage for their special interests. Just depends on what perspective you think is correct.
It seems the politicians are not driving the "economy package" so to speak on anything they are personally involved in. Wonder if they eat lunch meat sandwiches during meetings to save the tax payers money?? I'll gladly share mine with them if they are going without
- I, personally don't need your money. But in order for our country to function, you have to pay your taxes.
- I also don't need your guns (I have my own) nor do I care what you do in the privacy of your home.
- I would prefer a smaller government. Let me ask you this, have you heard of the invisible hand of the market? The idea that professional athletes only make what they do because the market for them supports it? Why do we have a government the size that we do then, if we don't support it?
- People should pay for their crimes. More people should pay for their crimes. Lets not forget that corporations are people too. How about a little jail time for those "people"? Think PG and E out in California....
- The TARP program was actually started under a different name, during the 80's (remember the savings and loan crisis under Reagan?) but the one you're thinking of was initiated by Bush.
But at the end of the day I find that the values supported by this party are closer in line with what I think than those represented by other political parties.
Thanks for playing.
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"I do not believe is the estate death tax. People paid taxes all their lived and because they were successful democrats think they are owed another piece of the pie."
"Again, national defense, education and others are an ongoing expenditure."
This is what I don't understand about Democrats, double taxing money we are told to work hard for and save to help our ourselves, family and friends in the future then feel they have the right to tax it again when it is time to share.
National defense, education, infrastructure, taking care of the true down trodden is a must but to force us to purchase health ins "Obama Care" is ludicrous. You must work in some form of gov't.
"Again, national defense, education and others are an ongoing expenditure."
This is what I don't understand about Democrats, double taxing money we are told to work hard for and save to help our ourselves, family and friends in the future then feel they have the right to tax it again when it is time to share.
National defense, education, infrastructure, taking care of the true down trodden is a must but to force us to purchase health ins "Obama Care" is ludicrous. You must work in some form of gov't.
hoosierhunter
Active Member
Respectful reply and it's appreciated.
I believe assisting the less fortunate is a positive endeavor. The problem is we are way beyond lending a helping hand. We are enabling failure. If someone falls on hard times, that's what unemployment is for. Not for the person who makes more off the govt than working, or the ones who make no effort for a job.
Our education system is a major failure. This is because of unions protecting unfit educators IMO. Give incentive to be successful, not reward status quo.
Also we have a vicious circle with taxes and unions. I can assure you of billions if not trillions saved yearly without prevailing wage(union) contracts on defense, etc.
Obamacare had merit as an overall concept to make healthcare more affordable because everyone deserves a dr. That as a stand alone platform is a great idea. Then the lies and deceiving started and I won't go there. Overall it's a unattainable benefit unless the govt funds.
Free enterprise is what made America great. It's what's drives people to success. My example would be the post office. If it's not working but we won't fix It. Why allow it to operate and loss millions and billions of taxpayer dollars. UPS and FEDEX do fine. Why is anything ran by the govt so screwed up?
White collar crime death penalty.....I'm honestly intrigued. You are right that in certain circumstances a person could ruin way more lives than a serial killer. It's a premeditated crime and usually is committed over a long period of time until they are caught. Obviously there are some hurdles to be cleared and inevitably now we are allowing govt to play "god" on a much broader level.
The big market idea because we support it applies but doesn't apply to govt. My opinion is that govt grew because:
many varying opinions and people wanted proper representation.(true reason behind govt)
Cronies system- ie others wanted those cush jobs and their lawmaker buddies created them.
Honestly there is so much govt waste it's unthinkable.
It's also unbearable that our country elected a president solely based on first time minority turnout. Read every article you can on this. Had previous statistics held in the 2008 election Obama would not have won. He was elected simply because people who do not follow politics turned out and voted based on the color of his skin.
Symbolic yes, correction decision no.
Nope. Self employed.
SaskGuy
Active Member
I'm going to respectfully join in on this one even though I do not live there, but I assure you I know about your education model. While I will agree that unions protect unfit educators, that being the reason it is a major failure is laughable at best.
I'm betting my best sheds on that being an opinion plucked from thin air as opposed to based on fact. I could write an essay on education difficulties but will not, I'll just ask you to do some research on education problems in the USA or anywhere for that matter and it is not unions protecting bad workers. I agree that does not help and in a perfect world it wouldn't happen but you should really point more of the blame on socioeconomic difficulties (poverty), government mandated testing, blanket fixes on what requires a patchwork quilt, and more importantly, a changing society in which parents expect less of their kids and a huge number of kids not doing much outside of their video game, cell phone bubble world.
As for the rest, I agree with some, disagree with others. I always wonder why Americans are either strong R or strong D? I voted Conservative last time here but may not this time. I really dislike a lot of things our current Conservative Government had done. I like some of their current policies, like some current Liberal ones as well and even ones from our 3rd party, NDP. I'll take all into account at election time and choose a best person. It seems to me that politics down there are like religion and or race and without much tolerance towards an individual because of their "party".
mplane72
PMA Member
Where's the like button for SaskGuys post? I have said it here before, the blind allegiance to the two parties is holding this country back if not seriously hurting it.
Also, to those of you who have something to really worry about in relation to the estate tax. You have my deepest sympathy.
Also, to those of you who have something to really worry about in relation to the estate tax. You have my deepest sympathy.
BDAHMS
Be here Now
I normally don't get involved in political threads- but I have to say this was one of the best threads I have read for some time- informative and entertaining.
and I agree with Sask on the teaching aspect- I am surrounded by teachers in my personal life and 100% agree that most(not all) of the issues come from OUTSIDE the classroom which usually involves bad parents or home life or lack thereof - pretty sad actually the stories I hear about some students
and I agree with Sask on the teaching aspect- I am surrounded by teachers in my personal life and 100% agree that most(not all) of the issues come from OUTSIDE the classroom which usually involves bad parents or home life or lack thereof - pretty sad actually the stories I hear about some students
luckdrawhunts
New Member
The estate tax is a joke. Many family farms lost because of it
TheMadCatter
Well-Known Member
I met a Senator once, he came to our school. He was a Demo and swearing in our school left and right his opening line was "You probably don't f****** want to listen to my boring a** speech." How the heck did such a low class guy get in office?
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mplane72
PMA Member
In the last century maybe a some were. Today not so much.
Since 2002, the estate tax has been paid only by millionaires. Rates have varied, since the Bush Tax Cuts of 2001 and 2003 resulted in frequent changes to the estate tax exemption and rate.
The individual estate tax exemption—the amount of money an individual can pass to heirs tax free—has been as low as $1 million in 2002 and as high as $5 million in 2011. The exemption is effectively doubled for married couples who engage in basic estate planning.
The estate tax is reserved only for society's wealthiest elite. In 2009, just one-quarter of one percent (0.25 percent) of all estates were expected to owe any estate tax at all
Very few family farms and small businesses are affected by the estate tax. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that with a $2 million exemption, only 123 farms per year in the U.S. would owe any estate tax, and the number of small businesses is similarly small. In 2001, the New York Times reported that American Farm Bureau Federation (who was in favor of repealing the estate tax) could not cite a single case of a family farm lost due to the estate tax.
I agree most issues at school are due to lack of parenting and home life, but the previous is related to a direct assault , by dems looking for votes, on the family unit, moral & ethical guidance provided by a unified family, the church, schools, law enforcement, or any other authoratative body. The result is split families being supported by the government in exchange for votes. As we know dems want more entitlement projects; while repubs want less. This endeavor is a well planned and patient endeavor that has been taking place for many years by breaking down our moral fabric constructed by solid families and christian values, by which our country was founded upon, to employ liberal ideaology that has a track record around the world of failing. Go figure?
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mplane72
PMA Member
Beat me to it. I'm sorry but the estate or "death" tax is one of those wedge issues that I hear people citing all the time because they hear some blow hard, talking head spouting off about it with out knowing the facts. Like everyone is being held down by it. The current tax does not even kick in until 5 million.
luckdrawhunts
New Member
They may not be lost. But is selling land off to pay the estate tax right. Hard working farmers having to down size to keep farming in my mind does'nt make sense. With what land prices are now it don't take many acres to get to a higher tax rate
For the record, I agree with that bit about the relation between home life and school performance.
However, I believe entitlements exist because of societal decay, they are not the cause of it. I believe they exist to help those affected by the "breakdown in our moral fabric." Welfare checks do not cause divorce(broken homes) and medicare/medicaide do not create disabled people. These things will exist in society regardless of whether or not we pay for them. To suggest entitlements were created as a means to garner votes is ludicrous.
To use the argument that abuse created by those undeserving of help as a justification to cease these programs is not valid. Do we stop using banks then because of bank fraud?
I also agree with your statement about our country being founded on Christian values. We need to focus on returning to those values.
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