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Not really, just wondering what you guys that are holding out for a contest contender tom, look for? I have never put much thought to what it takes for a bird to score good. My guess is, long spurs are probably the most important.

I have always noticed when there are several different toms in an area, the groups of 3 and 4 toms are always 2-3 year old birds with nice beards, 3/4 -1 inch spurs, and almost always attack the stuffed strutter decoy. The old toms are never with other gobblers, usually get run off by the gangs of 2-3 year old birds, and never come to calls or decoys. Anyone have old toms that dont turn into loners? They always have hens but never run with other gobblers. Its funny how they bond. The toms that are together, are always together, untill killed, it seems.

I have been running some cameras to size up the birds, and figure out where to focus on, when my bowtag starts monday.

This is the bird I am after. Missed him twice with my bow 2010, and took some feathers off his back with an arrow last spring. He is real easy to identify, with his skinny scissor shaped, probably double beard and really bad gobble. He had nice hooks in 2010 and as of last may, he had spurs like a barnyard rooster. I can't tell from pics if he has damaged them since then. Even though his beard is thin, its still long enough, his body looks heavy and his legs look like fence posts. Around here, I have also noticed the young birds have darker legs and the older they get the lighter pink and pale they get.
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It is tough to get a good picture of the spurs, but even though this bird has a real long beard, he sure does not look like he has much weight.
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Corben's youth season bird last week, you could see the weight on him, even though his beard was 8" with 1- 9" hair. He weighed 26 lbs with both spurs 1 1/2"s. When I skinned him, he had 5 big green spots with shotgun pellet holes in his butt and thighs, from at least a year ago. Most old birds we shoot have old shot in them, anyone else see that?

The day before getting him.
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This gobbler must have taken a frontal shot in the chest. His chest is deformed looking, but nice spurs. Sucks to be an old turkey.
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These 3 are always together with great beards, but 1" or less spurs.
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This is a big looking, loner bird, but can't get a look at his spurs.
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These two are a good comparison. The bird in front looks alot heavier and the one that always is in the back looks tall and lean.
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Just wondering how everyone else decides which bird to shoot. Anyone else getting any good turkey pics, post them here, love to see some big gobblers from other parts of the state.

Some bonus deer pics from the turkey cameras.
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A group of bucks goofing around the clover and rub tree.
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Great pix! Ya, I don't pass ANYTHING with a long beard or even sometimes a short beard... :grin:
 
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Great pictures Joe, lots of Toms to choose from. Great buck pictures also! I bet there glad to get rid of the winter coat!
 
Yeah Cooter, turkey season is a fun, laid back time compared to deer season, but we still end up running cameras and doing it just like during deer season. It is always fun to pick one bird/buck or whatever and try. With the long bowseason, we don't want to be done too soon.

I guess I was just wondering what the guys that are real serious about turkey hunting, notice about the old toms, compared to the 2-3 year olds? More/less dominant, loners, come to calls/decoys?
 
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Cooter... I just started putting them about 12 inches or so up, right above the grass, and that really gets the spurs and beard, if they get close enough to the camera.

Thats what I see most of the loners do, gobble in the tree, shut up and strut all morning. I usually set up around the strut zone, but if I am after an old loner, I dont use any decoys or calling, just let them do what they do.
 
Thats what I see most of the loners do, gobble in the tree, shut up and strut all morning. I usually set up around the strut zone, but if I am after an old loner, I dont use any decoys or calling, just let them do what they do.

Although I will not hesitate to shoot any "full fan" bird, I do feel as though there is a different way to go about it if you want a really old one.

In my experience, rarely will an old bird come to the call early in the AM. They will gobble from the roost, let the hen(s) come to them and then fly down with them and move off with them. The best way to get an old bird early is to ambush them by being where they are going to go anyway OR just dumb luck.

Possible exception...if you call in a flock with a Grampa in it, then you can get one early, but he is rarely the first bird in range. You have to wait for him and that can be tough with other turks in easy range and many eyes/ears on your setup.

I have killed mutliple older birds though and almost all of them came after 10:00A. They are wary and deliberate, but can be called in then. It can easily take over an hour to move an old bird 100 yards or so, so if you can do it safely and effectively, move in on him.
 
"Corben's youth season bird last week, you could see the weight on him, even though his beard was 8" with 1- 9" hair. He weighed 26 lbs with both spurs 1 1/2"s. When I skinned him, he had 5 big green spots with shotgun pellet holes in his butt and thighs, from at least a year ago. Most old birds we shoot have old shot in them, anyone else see that? "

I've found the green areas a couple times on birds that I killed on public ground. Even shot one once that only had 2 toes on one foot.
I usually shoot the first long beard that comes in, which, in the area I hunt tends to be at least 1" spurs.. I think for some reason, the particular roost trees I hunt around, the mature toms roost in by establishing their pecking order. I never see jakes in this spot, but, there's always a new 3 or 4 year old there every year.
 
I only shoot big, fat, long-spurred, long bearded gobblers.......that is... UNLESS a smaller bird comes in first! :D There is something about that spitting ,drumming and thunderous gobbling that makes my trigger finger get all itchy. :grin: Great pics and discussion, hope you can outsmart one of those fatties! :way:
 
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I just gotta ask!! I can't help it!!!!!!!! What does a Serious turkey hunter shoot???????!!! I like that!! Here's my story! My first year of turkey season lasted 12 minutes! He gobbled at any noise, we were walking in he was singing at cricketts! I hid in the brush, threw a foam decoy down that looked, was in the shape of a Z!!!! I had a push button call, made a few clucks...........he hit the ground and at about 35 yards I puffed him with a Mossberg! He was 27# ! May have been a Jake! I don't know!!!! Next year .I fell asleep, same foam decoy! Wake up there's two toms racing to get to the invalid deke! Bang!!!!!!! 25# tom dead!! Then we went to the bow!!!:way: My biggest to date with bow is about 24#! I think I can spend about as much as anybody on turkey hunting! I have some of the best ground to hunt them in Iowa! I don't name turkeys, and I don't name deer!!! But if I'm hunting them...I'm serious!!!!!!!!! or thought I was! All of you Serious hunters chime in! Cause I just gotta know what that would be!! :confused:
 
If the bird is full strut at my decoy 6 yards from the blind and he has a full beard he's getting shot every time. I don't trophy turkey hunt on purpose, when a big one falls it's just coincidence. Granted last year pretty much every bird that came into that stuffed decoy was an older (3 years +) bird, not sure if that's coincidence or not.

Personally I love huge spurs mainly cuz I've only shot a handfull of birds that are true limbhangers.
 
Easy Crockett, poor choice of words. Only pointing out the differences I have noticed with the older birds and wondering what others have learned. I guess I should have said, "guys who are holding out for an older bird", but I forgot how sensitive some people are. Just passing time untill monday, when I can go after, "Ole Skinny Scissors Beard Bob".
 
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I just gotta ask!! I can't help it!!!!!!!! What does a Serious turkey hunter shoot???????!!! I like that!! Here's my story! My first year of turkey season lasted 12 minutes! He gobbled at any noise, we were walking in he was singing at cricketts! I hid in the brush, threw a foam decoy down that looked, was in the shape of a Z!!!! I had a push button call, made a few clucks...........he hit the ground and at about 35 yards I puffed him with a Mossberg! He was 27# ! May have been a Jake! I don't know!!!! Next year .I fell asleep, same foam decoy! Wake up there's two toms racing to get to the invalid deke! Bang!!!!!!! 25# tom dead!! Then we went to the bow!!!:way: My biggest to date with bow is about 24#! I think I can spend about as much as anybody on turkey hunting! I have some of the best ground to hunt them in Iowa! I don't name turkeys, and I don't name deer!!! But if I'm hunting them...I'm serious!!!!!!!!! or thought I was! All of you Serious hunters chime in! Cause I just gotta know what that would be!! :confused:

Really???????????????? :thrwrck:
 
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We have had many groups and single, 3yr old, 1" or so spurred birds come into the calls and decoys, but the birds here, after that age, probably because their buddies have all been killed, turn into loners that run off, or go way off to the side to strut, if any other gobblers show up, even jake groups. I do have to admit, my turkey calling sucks, our stuffed strutter is pretty scarey looking, and the area around my farm gets turkey hunted real hard, way worse than deer season, it seems.
 
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