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Avoiding change VS managing it

States should follow Iowas lead and not just for deer. Colorado should have a 3 year wait for an elk archery tag, triple the price. Minnesota 3 years for a fishing license, triple the price, South Dakota pheasants 3 year wait, $300 for a license

Wisconsin #1 B & C whitetail state maybe a 5 year wait, $1000 a tag

All states should follow the lead and think how much better their hunting and fishing would be for The residents of the state.

All of you advocates for a price increase on NR might be staying home then.

Horrible logic. Colorado has huge amounts of public land so there is no big push from non-residents to buy up the resources. Same can be said for Minnesota's fishery and South Dakota's pheasant hunting. It takes a few months to grow a pheasant. It takes several years to grow the buck that you want to come shoot in Iowa. And, the least of your concern is the fact that non-resident land ownership in Iowa continues to displace resident hunters. Many, to the point of giving up the sport of hunting all-together. But, you only care about you and what you perceive to be your rights.

Your response is the typical non-resident entitlement mentality that will ensure that you will not get what you want here.

If I own land in the Rocky Mountains, I am not entitled to a big horn sheep tag. If I own land in Wyoming, I am not automatically issued a Shiras moose tag. If I own land in Minnesota, I assume I am not entitled to a bear tag. If I own land in Wisconsin, I would guess I still have to draw for a turkey tag. There is Very little public or federal ground in Iowa. That makes a huge difference and is what drives the desire for non-residents to come and buy up the natural resources. Ofcourse, it does not hurt that we boast one of the finest quality deer herds in the world. Maybe there is a good reason for that.

Iowa sprotsmen will continue to stand up for each other and do what is right. We will protect the resources for our citizens that live and work here so that they can have the opportunities that they deserve.

You have the same rights I do. The right to live in Iowa and work in Iowa and hunt in Iowa if you choose. That will not change.
 
My.02 as a NR landowner(not in Iowa). NR landowner who tries to manage said property contributes a substantial $$$ amount to the state in taxes, fuel, groceries, etc; then pays the same price as a NR non landowner who goes there for the sole purpose of killing a deer be it a wallhanger or, the first brown critter that stumbles through doesnt seem quite right. Not saying we should get same treatment as a resident, but I dont feel we should suffer the same sacrifices as a nonowner. As I said I neither own land or hunt in Iowa, but the same situation applies in other states. jmo fwiw

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Since you bought your own hunt spot you do not suffer the same sacrifices as a nonowner. You get to hunt your own property when regs allow. Pretty simple. I bet that is why you bought! You achieved that goal which I think is awesome. Now you want a privilege that is not yours to have. The resource does not go with the land. You need to work on changing the laws so the deer are private property then you will have a good argument.
 
Ultimately, I hope it never changes. If it does it will be because of a select few and money. Image that.

I don't think the nr tag price is to high. I am buy no means wealth, but I will do with out all the latest gizmos that year for a quality hunt and so can other folks.

You can't compre iowa to other states, I will throw in missouri, we have a lot more deer, twice the cover, it can handle the madness we have.

I m setting on two points, I will apply. I will hunt public land, and hold out for a good one or go home with a doe. The special thing about iowa is, on any given day the average American law biding, tax paying citizen had a chance.

I will not let that be destroyed.
 
I think it is fun to see this topic raised here again when there appear to be no effort at the state house this year to change things as they are. Also the economic impact of loosing hundreds of thousands of deer managing hunters in Iowa would be much larger than the alternative. That would be the end result in opening things up as proposed in this tread. I still think NRs are getting screwed on tag prices in Iowa and that is a joke IMO.
 
States should follow Iowas lead and not just for deer. Colorado should have a 3 year wait for an elk archery tag, triple the price. Minnesota 3 years for a fishing license, triple the price, South Dakota pheasants 3 year wait, $300 for a license

Wisconsin #1 B & C whitetail state maybe a 5 year wait, $1000 a tag

All states should follow the lead and think how much better their hunting and fishing would be for The residents of the state.

All of you advocates for a price increase on NR might be staying home then.

I would be okay with that. Their state, their laws. I would not try to change them.
 
ironwood said:
There is no difference between hunters in this conversation. You are simply trying to impose your will upon the entire state of Iowa.

There is a huge difference because this the the step that will come in the next 5 years. Everyone can doubt me on this but it's the hard truth.

I'm not saying Iowa needs to change because I want to come hunt the state. My reasoning is that it's the unavoidable truth and its better to think about reasonable alternatives and be ready for the fight as opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking your hunting associations are strong enough to out lobby others in government.

Don't forget the main reason the state stands where is does now is because of government and not the DNR. When these decisions are political the climate can change fast.
 
Horrible logic. Colorado has huge amounts of public land so there is no big push from non-residents to buy up the resources. Same can be said for Minnesota's fishery and South Dakota's pheasant hunting. It takes a few months to grow a pheasant. It takes several years to grow the buck that you want to come shoot in Iowa. And, the least of your concern is the fact that non-resident land ownership in Iowa continues to displace resident hunters. Many, to the point of giving up the sport of hunting all-together. But, ////

I was being sarcastic, guess I should have put LOL at the end. I do think reciporicity is fair though, you can't argue against it really.

Do you think as a licensed realtor that I would not want NR to come fish in MN?
Our economy gets a big boost from it. Plus I pheasant hunt in Sd, I don't want their license to increase.

Your comment on entitlement? Really?
 
There is a huge difference because this the the step that will come in the next 5 years. Everyone can doubt me on this but it's the hard truth.

I'm not saying Iowa needs to change because I want to come hunt the state. My reasoning is that it's the unavoidable truth and its better to think about reasonable alternatives and be ready for the fight as opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking your hunting associations are strong enough to out lobby others in government.

Don't forget the main reason the state stands where is does now is because of government and not the DNR. When these decisions are political the climate can change fast.

You are at the end of a long line of guys that have been saying this for many, many years. What makes you think that now change is coming? Many others have been certain and gave up. I really dont see it happening. I think you are wishing....
 
There is a huge difference because this the the step that will come in the next 5 years. Everyone can doubt me on this but it's the hard truth.

I'm not saying Iowa needs to change because I want to come hunt the state. My reasoning is that it's the unavoidable truth and its better to think about reasonable alternatives and be ready for the fight as opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking your hunting associations are strong enough to out lobby others in government.

Don't forget the main reason the state stands where is does now is because of government and not the DNR. When these decisions are political the climate can change fast.

I have been hearing the same crap for the last 10 years. Guess what, nothing has changed.
 
There is a huge difference because this the the step that will come in the next 5 years. Everyone can doubt me on this but it's the hard truth.

I'm not saying Iowa needs to change because I want to come hunt the state. My reasoning is that it's the unavoidable truth and its better to think about reasonable alternatives and be ready for the fight as opposed to burying your head in the sand and thinking your hunting associations are strong enough to out lobby others in government.

Don't forget the main reason the state stands where is does now is because of government and not the DNR. When these decisions are political the climate can change fast.

There have been guys like you saying the same thing for ten years and you haven't changed the laws yet.
 
Horrible logic. Colorado has huge amounts of public land so there is no big push from non-residents to buy up the resources. Same can be said for Minnesota's fishery and South Dakota's pheasant hunting. It takes a few months to grow a pheasant. It takes several years to grow the buck that you want to come shoot in Iowa. And, the least of your concern is the fact that non-resident land ownership in Iowa continues to displace resident hunters. Many, to the point of giving up the sport of hunting all-together. But, ////

I was being sarcastic, guess I should have put LOL at the end. I do think reciporicity is fair though, you can't argue against it really.

Do you think as a licensed realtor that I would not want NR to come fish in MN?
Our economy gets a big boost from it. Plus I pheasant hunt in Sd, I don't want their license to increase.

Your comment on entitlement? Really?


Really. Why else would a non-resident feel that they should automatically be given the same rights as a full-time resident? It's an entitlemant mentality. Plain and simple. Many non-residents bought ground when it was still fairly inexpensive banking on the fact that the laws would change. Some have given up and sold, others are still wishing and fighting. It is definitley an entitlement thing.
 
Bottom line is nr's knew the Iowa regs when they decided to buy hunting land here. It's not going to change so deal with it.
 
fletch920 said:
You are at the end of a long line of guys that have been saying this for many, many years. What makes you think that now change is coming? Many others have been certain and gave up. I really dont see it happening. I think you are wishing....

Things change:

Names like Winke, Lakosky, Drury, Kisky. They are at all time highs in exposure levels.

Your govt just robbed your general wildlife fund of 8-9 million. Who's going to put that back?

Farmers and NR hunters own more ground than ever right now. Farmers usually want deer dead and they do not care who kills them.

Insurance companies are lobbying more than ever to increase harvest levels.
 
Tell me the things YOU have done to get things changed? Did you hire a lobbyist? Did you contribute to someones campaign that shares your ideas? Did you vote? Oh wait, you cant do that.
 
Scott said:
Tell me the things YOU have done to get things changed? Did you hire a lobbyist? Did you contribute to someones campaign that shares your ideas? Did you vote? Oh wait, you cant do that.

Did you even read this thread before that response? Brilliant logic again....

I'm not trying to change the system. I'm telling you it's coming so you better have a hell of a lot better answers to these arguments than what the majority of people have presented in this thread. Answers such as yours are not going to save your resource.

Answers like people have tried and they didn't win before so it doesn't matter.....
 
Did anyone ever think that way, and I mean way, more ground is being lost to farmers buying it up and not allowing hunting or already having their guys than the NRs buying it?
 
Did anyone ever think that way, and I mean way, more ground is being lost to farmers buying it up and not allowing hunting or already having their guys than the NRs buying it?

This is the whole point. Available ground to hunt is shrinking at an alarming rate as you mentioned. In your opinion what would hold a NR from buying ground in iowa from a hunting perspective today? What happens when the NR quota triples to 18,000? If NRs can get a tag yearly what would hold them back from buying cheap timber ground? Now cheap is a relative term. Expensive to me but my buddies from georgia laugh at our low prices for timber ground. Both those buddies say they would buy ground tomorrow if they could get a tag each year. In my opinion, the flood gates would open.
 
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Liv4Rut said:
This is the whole point. Available ground to hunt is shrinking at an alarming rate as you mentioned. In your opinion what would hold a NR from buying ground in iowa from a hunting perspective today? What happens when the NR quota triples to 18,000? If NRs can get a tag yearly what would hold them back from buying cheap timber ground? Now cheap is a relative term. Expensive to me but my buddies from georgia laugh at our low prices for timber ground. Both those buddies say they would buy ground tomorrow if they could get a tag each year. In my opinion, the flood gates would open.

I don't think tripling the quota is a positive thing although I also find it excessive being given 3 buck tags. I'm not advocating taking away from residents to benefit NR's either. (and no that's not what this debate is about for anyone who wants to go there.)

Your also right that ground is dirt cheap out there as compared to other states.
 
I don't think tripling the quota is a positive thing although I also find it excessive being given 3 buck tags. I'm not advocating taking away from residents to benefit NR's either. (and no that's not what this debate is about for anyone who wants to go there.)

Your also right that ground is dirt cheap out there as compared to other states.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think is a fair number of buck tags to be issued?
 
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