Cereal Grains and cover crops

Horncarver · Oct 17, 2014

The entire plot is only 1.25 acres: 1/2 acre in clover, 1/2 in your mix and 1/4 acre in brassicas. My cams show deer readilly grazing the cereal grain mix and it is easy to see the clipped tops of the oats and rye, but the pea plants have no evidence of that at all. I am guessing that on average 8 to 12 deer use the plot daily. I planted a cedar faux rub tree in the middle of the cereal grain plot three weeks ago and have no less than 7 different bucks using it weekly, not to mention the does and fawns that check it out while eating. I took some photos yesterday and will try to post some later when I get home. Thanks

dbltree · Oct 17, 2014

I assume that the peas are 4-6" taller then everything else then? When cold weather comes the only thing left is the peas?

dbltree · Oct 20, 2014

Our clients purchased their farms with one goal in mind, to manage it for hunting mature whitetail bucks. This means they want their land managed to support the maximum number of mature bucks. To accomplish this we have to maximize acres in cover and minimize acres devoted to food sources.

These goals may or may not be yours but it’s important to understand that if someone prefers wide open timber and 20 acres of food plots when they need 2, it’s ok. Goals can change also but ours include getting the highest yields (feeding the most deer) from the least area. This allows us to have more acres in cover, more cover = more big whitetails.
The rye mix portion of Dbltree rotation provides high quality forage that is extremely attractive to whitetails. Unlike corn and soybeans, forage crops continue to grow while being grazed. This is why forage crops are nearly impossible to wipe out and it requires much less land to feed the same number deer.

The rye, oats, peas, forage radish and clover mix is hard to pass up, although some report deer in south passing up peas. First time new plots may sometimes take a season for deer to adapt to, both of those situations are rare. Every plot on every farm was eaten to the dirt the first year we planted them, usually around 100 acres in SE Iowa. As noted in pictures these plots are literally surrounded by ag crops, yet whitetails flock to them daily. Be sure to use exclusion cages and trail cams to monitor usage, over time add tree orchards that include fruit, chestnut and hybrid oaks in and around the feeding area. They will round out the year around attraction and hold deer even when oaks are raining acorns or fields are littered with grain.

We plant roughly 3 acres for every 80-120 acres, the timber is managed to provide the maximum browse and cover. This means all their needs are met 365 days a year and planted food sources get heavily use.
Whitetails are opportunistic and take advantage of food sources closest to their bedding areas, dominate doe groups take the choice area. If that area is wide open timber, very few deer will be using the plot, there are then many variables involved that affect usage.

We don’t just plant plots we improve all facets of whitetail habitat, for that reason our success may vary widely from someone who doesn’t. It’s important to keep these things in mind when comparing or measuring success, one may buy a farm with outstanding cover and another may have to work hard for many years to create it.
Food sources of any kind aren’t worth a hoot without premium cover and many landowners have no idea what that entails, but top notch cover holds a lot whitetails and that in turn requires crops that can withstand heavy grazing.
The rye mix portion of our food sources is able to do just that and yields can further increased by adding higher levels of nitrogen.

You may own your property for a variety of reasons and perhaps killing a big whitetail is way down your priority list. The crops we use will work regardless of goals, including low budget and no equipment landowners. Add milo to the rotation if you enjoy upland game birds, when combined with NWSG and edge feathering it makes outstanding pheasant, quail and big whitetail habitat.
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Sligh1 · Oct 21, 2014

All of Dbltree's posts are good, obviously, BUT.... you new landowners or really- any landowner, you really need to re-read & really digest this last post from head to toe. NAILED IT!!!!!

Greeneyed Pickle · Oct 21, 2014

Finally got a good shot of my cowpea/winter pea/clover mix. Really coming in great but as you can see they are really focusing on the cowpeas. You can see the area to the right is void of them as they are moving their way across the plot. Looking forward to seeing how they respond after first frost and as the season progresses.

Tim

Greeneyed Pickle · Oct 21, 2014

Also caught this guy in the rye/clover/vetch plot. Nice buck for NC!

Tim

Horncarver · Oct 22, 2014

Here are some progression photos of my test foodplot where I planted a combo of forage peas and red clover in mid to late August and then on Sep 7th planted Dbltree's mix of oats, rye and more forage peas. I have since broadcast seeded additional rye following some heavy rains and the plot is lush. This is the third year I have planted this combo, but the first where I planted just peas and clover in a small area to give the deer a "taste of things to come" so to speak. Weird as this may seem, there is no interest in the lush peas what-so-ever. Plenty of photos of them grazing my white clover plot (just north of this) and the rye/oats, but I can't find any nipped off peas.

Those are all deer tracks in the wet soil in the second photo down. I think they were playing mud football or something like that.

dbltree · Oct 22, 2014

Great stuff! Thanks for posting, stick a exclusion cage in the peas just for fun

dbltree · Oct 27, 2014

I am often asked “what if brassicas don’t make it” (drought, flood, etc.) to which I reply “they will be just as happy and indeed quite content with rye mix”

Brassicas and other crops may be “sexy”, often made so by seed retailers with advertising budget and pretty packaging, but lowly winter is the brown paper bag workhorse they don’t want you know about.
The rye mix especially attractive to whitetails with a combination of highly palatable forage crops. It’s hard to find plants that haven’t been grazed…

Although the brassicas were being heavily grazed, once the rye, oats, peas and FR came up its clear which they prefer right now…

We use a mix because each forage species has different attributes, oats grow fast and provide high forage while the slower growing rye catches up. As colder weather sets in the oats freeze out, but the winter rye thrives all winter continuing to grow down to 34 degrees.
Note the beautiful clover off to a great start!

The rut is just starting and soon bucks will rely on stored fat reserves as they focus on breeding. Every deer I post pictures of is feeding within yards of corn and soybeans, yet they choose the rye mix to put on those fat reserves.
How many more out of camera range?

You can see the winter peas are darn hard to find, I suspect they get planted too early in the south or low deer density allows them to mature. Here the peas and forage radish are the frosting on the cake, the mix as a whole impossible for whitetails to pass up.

At this stage winter rye has the crude protein of any cereal grain, perhaps the reason they seek it out. We have also done a great deal of timber management on this farm, increasing the number of deer it can hold.

Note the hairy vetch (feathery leaf) which combined with red clover will provide all the nitrogen needs for next years brassicas. The rye/brassica rotation once established, is meant to be self sustaining that’s a win win no matter who you are.

The rye mix is perfect in rotation with brassicas or as a single planting for those with time constraints. God created whitetails to live almost anywhere in North America, they are survivors willing to take advantage of almost any food source.
Plan wisely and locate your plot in a hidden, secluded, centrally located spot surrounded by dense thick cover and they will devour whatever you plant for them. The mix is one of the few that stand intense grazing without requiring expensive fencing.

Below is the mix we have used successfully for many years now.

Dbltree seed mix and rotation

Plant ALL in one plot in strips or blocks

Alice, Kopu II, Durana (or comparable) white clover 10% of plot, sow at 6#'s per acre with the rye combination in the fall or in the spring with oats and berseem clover. Correct Ph and P&K with soil tests

Brassicas in 45% of plot

Purple Top Turnips 3#
Dwarf Essex Rape 2#
GroundHog Forage radish 5#

Plant in mid to late July in most Midwest states, or 60-90 days before your first killing frost, Use 200#'s of 46-0-0 urea and 400#'s of 6-28-28 per acre. Follow the dead brassicas with oats and berseem or crimson clover in mid spring at 60#'s oats and 12-15#'s berseem clover and/or crimson and/or 50#'s of chickling vetch)

Cereal Grain combo in 45% of plot...we use 50# each rye, oats and peas along with radish and clover seed all planted in half of each feeding area

Winter rye 50-80#'s per acre (56#'s = a bushel)
Spring oats 50-120#'s per acre (32#'s = a bushel)
Frostmaster Winter Peas or 4010/6040 Forage peas 20-80#'s per acre

Red Clover 8-12#'s per acre or white clover at 6#'s per acre (or 20-40 pounds hairy vetch and 20-30#'s crimson clover on sandy soils)
Groundhog Forage Radish 5#'s per acre

Plant in late August to early September, if following well fertilized brassicas use 100 - 200#'s of urea, if starting a new plot add 400#'s of 6-28-28 but for best results soil test and add only what is necessary.

Rotate the brassicas and rye combo each year

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letemgrow · Oct 28, 2014

Sligh1 said:
All of Dbltree's posts are good, obviously, BUT.... you new landowners or really- any landowner, you really need to re-read & really digest this last post from head to toe. NAILED IT!!!!!

Yeah, what Skip said.

Greeneyed Pickle · Nov 6, 2014

Well we had our first frost Monday night as it hit a balmy 28*. I know, not cold for Iowa.
Cowpeas are toast and the winter peas look about 50/50. Clover and rye are still going strong. Farmer is fixing to take his 10 ac of soybeans pretty soon. Already overseeded about 35# of rye in the bean field and have another 50# I'll throw out shortly.

Tim

dbltree · Nov 14, 2014

It’s mid-November and peak breeding is the rut stage at this point. Bucks hammer the plots relentlessly, not for but in search of does in estrus. Does weary of constant hounding, mostly by immature bucks, begin to avoid plots except at night. They also start avoiding their usual runways, while mature bucks beat the runways to death.

Often 4-5 year old bucks circle feeding areas, using their noses rather than eyes as is often thought. They are wise and efficient compared to 2-3 old bucks, so while it's important to screen the plots it's not necessary to break up the plot itself. I never killed a buck (archery ) in the food plot, I hunted funnels I created using hinging techniques.

None of the bucks in these pictures are interested in feeding on food of any kind, they are focused does in estrus. Upon finding one the doe often leads him back her bedding area or the pushes her to a remote field away from other deer.

Contrary to the ads we are bombarded with food sources are not going to attract monster whitetails this time of year, does are. Food sources are also incapable of producing giants, only age and genetics can accomplish this.

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I mention these things because many new landowners understand little about whitetails and less about habitat. Like a young person we can be vulnerable to those shouting that they have easy answers, just get out your wallet! As with all things in life we have educate ourselves and sort fact from hype.

When I asked Jesus into my heart I devoted as time as possible to serving Him by serving others and sharing the Truth in hopes they will follow suit. Funny thing however, the Light is frightening to some for many reasons, like me we cannot be dragged or forced. We need to be beckoned to it like spring rainbow, be it spiritual or management options for your farm. The things I share are true and with variations will work over much of the country.

Trail cams don’t lie and provide invaluable information about whitetails, how they live and interact with native and planted habitat. My good friend Bob killed a mature droptine this fall that though 6 years old, had never set foot on his farm before this spring. Once there he roamed the length of the 1000 acre farm, though mature bucks typically have a home range half that size. Where this buck had been living and why he moved remains a mystery but I suspect he remained due to the habitat improvements Bob has made to his farm.

The rye mix is just one very small piece of the habitat pie for Bob like it is for us, it's not the reason that old droptine moved in, it's the whole habitat pie.

Point being don't fall for the hype, I just received an email advertising whitetail oats on sale for nearly $40 a bag!! Typically we pay $12-14 for certified seed oats and slightly more for winter rye. There are only two reasons to pay that much for seed oats, ignorance and greed and hopefully I can help address both issues in the time I have left.

The average hunter landowner didn't grow up farming and hunting all types of wildlife as I did (if you did you were blessed!)
When one's only information comes from ads in hunting magazines its little wonder people think they have to pay outrageous prices for seed.

Society today places so much emphasis on "winning" rather than family and faith so, desperate to find acceptance some will pay anything for seed and gadgets. Surely that will allow us to skip all the hard work and simply bag a giant whitetail. When one's only information comes from ads in hunting magazines its little wonder people think they have to pay outrageous prices for seed.
I urge all of you to keep things in perspective and your priorities in order, enjoy hunting these whitetails God has blessed us with, at same time don't place them above all else.

The rye mix shown above was notill drilled in early September after mowing and spraying. The plot is surrounded by 180 bushel corn which deer ignore, after harvest they will take advantage of spilled grain then focus on the rye mix /brassicas there on out.

Use common sense when planning habitat improvements, ignore the ads and implement a crop rotation like shown below as part of your habitat pie....

Dbltree seed mix and rotation

Plant ALL in one plot in strips or blocks

Alice, Kopu II, Durana (or comparable) white clover 10% of plot, sow at 6#'s per acre with the rye combination in the fall or in the spring with oats and berseem clover. Correct Ph and P&K with soil tests

Brassicas in 45% of plot

Purple Top Turnips 3#
Dwarf Essex Rape 2#
GroundHog Forage radish 5#

Plant in mid to late July in most Midwest states, or 60-90 days before your first killing frost, Use 200#'s of 46-0-0 urea and 400#'s of 6-28-28 per acre. Follow the dead brassicas with oats and berseem or crimson clover in mid spring at 60#'s oats and 12-15#'s berseem clover and/or crimson and/or 50#'s of chickling vetch)

Cereal Grain combo in 45% of plot...we use 50# each rye, oats and peas along with radish and clover seed all planted in half of each feeding area

Winter rye 50-80#'s per acre (56#'s = a bushel)
Spring oats 50-120#'s per acre (32#'s = a bushel)
Frostmaster Winter Peas or 4010/6040 Forage peas 20-80#'s per acre

Red Clover 8-12#'s per acre or white clover at 6#'s per acre (or 20-40 pounds hairy vetch and 20-30#'s crimson clover on sandy soils)
Groundhog Forage Radish 5#'s per acre

Plant in late August to early September, if following well fertilized brassicas use 100 - 200#'s of urea, if starting a new plot add 400#'s of 6-28-28 but for best results soil test and add only what is necessary.

Rotate the brassicas and rye combo each year

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scottonbuck · Nov 14, 2014

Paul its amazing in society today everyone wants everything but do not want to put forth the effort it takes to achieve their goals. Big buck seed is a perfect example i see people buying that stuff and just chuckle. With the help of your knowledge posted here and a lot of WORK i have had some pretty successful foodplots, although weather has won the battle on a few overtime. My wife went hunting for the first time this year early muzzleloader season so i took her to a couple of those plots and it was great she saw deer including several nice bucks although she didnt shoot anything she really enjoyed it and saw and understood why i work so hard on those plots. It was a great time so for that I thank you Paul.
I try to teach my boys there is no such thing a quick easy route to success you get exactly what you put in to it.
My oldest started bowhuntig this year, delivered papers and mowed lawns and saved his money to buy a bow and hunting gear, I ensured him to practice hard and it would pay off when the time that bigbuck strolls into range, focusing on form and technique he shot his reps every night untill daylight savings then it was mornings before school, long story short he closed the deal on a great buck Nov. 8 It was great to see all of his hard work and efforts pay off.

dbltree · Nov 15, 2014

Kudos for getting your family involved and sharing your passion for the outdoors

dbltree · Nov 17, 2014

My friend David sent pictures from his place down in Texas, he was by locals not to bother trying to plant food plots because they would never grow.

I reckon it's a good thing he didn't listen to 'em

The area typically grows hay and pasture which means most years the dbltree /LC rotations will do very well.

These mixes will grow from Maine to Texas and ND to MN, they don't require expensive and often unreliable fencing.

Dave tried soybeans, cowpeas and lab lab, but of course they were quickly eaten off and he was left with a dirt plot.

If you are just starting out or tired of spending money on grain crops that never make it to hunting season, consider the following :

Dbltree seed mix and rotation

Plant ALL in one plot in strips or blocks

Alice, Kopu II, Durana (or comparable) white clover 10% of plot, sow at 6#'s per acre with the rye combination in the fall or in the spring with oats and berseem clover. Correct Ph and P&K with soil tests

Brassicas in 45% of plot

Purple Top Turnips 3#
Dwarf Essex Rape 2#
GroundHog Forage radish 5#

Plant in mid to late July in most Midwest states, or 60-90 days before your first killing frost, Use 200#'s of 46-0-0 urea and 400#'s of 6-28-28 per acre. Follow the dead brassicas with oats and berseem or crimson clover in mid spring at 60#'s oats and 12-15#'s berseem clover and/or crimson and/or 50#'s of chickling vetch)

Cereal Grain combo in 45% of plot...we use 50# each rye, oats and peas along with radish and clover seed all planted in half of each feeding area

Winter rye 50-80#'s per acre (56#'s = a bushel)
Spring oats 50-120#'s per acre (32#'s = a bushel)
Frostmaster Winter Peas or 4010/6040 Forage peas 20-80#'s per acre

Red Clover 8-12#'s per acre or white clover at 6#'s per acre (or 20-40 pounds hairy vetch and 20-30#'s crimson clover on sandy soils)
Groundhog Forage Radish 5#'s per acre

Plant in late August to early September, if following well fertilized brassicas use 100 - 200#'s of urea, if starting a new plot add 400#'s of 6-28-28 but for best results soil test and add only what is necessary.

Rotate the brassicas and rye combo each year

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Greeneyed Pickle · Nov 17, 2014

Glad to see I wasn't the only one who had my cowpeas crushed! Look forward to having 7 deer in one pic before too long! I've had 4 a bunch of times but that's the max so far.

Nice work on the texas plots!

Tim

MO-APE · Jan 6, 2015

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Man, there is something to be said for having significant tonnage of palatable green winter rye on January 6th. The partners of rye in Dbltree's mix are long gone due to over grazing or frost, but the rye keeps chugging along providing substantial forage in 5 degree temps... Not to mention providing an incredible late season draw.

Long gone are the beans, corn and brassicas...cereal rye is the champion once again! God Bless you Paul, RIP our friend!

Lucky13 · Feb 25, 2015

I have read so much about the dbltree mix....how big of plots are you guys planting? If a guy was to plant basically half in the brassica mix and half in the cereal grain mix I guess in my mind it would half to be a pretty big plot....I mean if someone only had an acre to work with that would be a lot of different seeds going into one small area...and the rates would be so dismal...OR am I just thinking about this all wrong?

LoessHillsArcher · Feb 25, 2015

You can do the mix on any size plot you want. If you have an acre plot that'd be a great sized plot! Put half in the Dbltree rye mix and half in his brassicas and you'll have some fat and happy deer.

Yes, there are a lot of different seeds in Paul's Dbltree mix but they each play a different role. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'rates would be so dismal'?

Lucky13 · Feb 26, 2015

what i mean is if you are supposed to separate the different crops...lets say just for the sake of conversation that you spilt your "acre" into what would like a checker board, then it wouldnt take very much seed to accomplish each square, correct? so my one real question is, are you separating the seed like this? and then making adjustments to the seed rate for the size of your square?
thanks

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