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Ghost

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I'm not trying to open a bad can of worms here and I know this is a sensitive topic for some members.

NO HUNTING - LEASED

I always thought this happened to other people in areas close to large populations of people.

The 160 acres right across the gravel road from my place was leased for hunting this year.

I hate money in this sport.

Any thoughts.....
 
I hear ya!The property next to my uncles(I hunt my uncles) Is leased every year.
My family has known the actual owner for years.The guy that is watching over it leases it out for $600 a season to his buddies and when someone else wants to(besides his buddies)the price goes up to $1000.He is a cheap *******.Plenty of folks know that the big platform stand he has on the property is what he uses to take shots at the big boys with a rifle.Someday the Sherriff will get wind and then those days will be over.
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Sorry Ghost but I needed a place to hunt over there and the lease price was cheap. Plus I figured you would let me stay at your house and I could just walk across the road in the mornings!
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Seriously though, I would definately call the land owner. There have been a few places around here where the landowner has given a person permission but he will put up signs to try and keep anyone else from asking. In the one case the landowner found out about it and the sign poster was no longer welcome.
 
Yes, some of my favorite stomping grounds had one of those signs on the gate. I called the leaser and he said only bow and I could only hunt it tuesday to thursday, so it wasn't stired up for his weekend hunts. I thought that was pretty fair. Then I called him for shed hunting season and he didn't have a clue who I was and doesnt remember me getting permission for bowhunting. So after I explained to him what shed hunting was, he thought it wasn't such a good idea to let me gain access. All of a sudden I forgot how to read. Its worth a phone call at least Ghost.
 
As much as I agree with ya Ghost, I can't blame landowners for trying to make ends meet.

Free access is what fueled the world of hunting. Knock on a door and permission was granted. People went out and fueled the hunting lifestyle and industry because they were able to find spots to hunt easily. This is changing fast. Limited access is definitely going to mar hunting as we have known it.


It's certain that Iowa is a prime target. Get ready, IMO.... Those lease signs will be as common as no tresspass signs in the future.

"Horn porn" and money will get the best of Iowa hunting in the long.... or maybe short run.
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I guess the only real answer is to purchase some ground. Just don't forget to let the "little guy" do some huntin to. Are horns really THAT important.
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River.....that's exactly what I did in 1990.... buy my own ground. I just hate to see the 5 - 10 guys that used to hunt this ground out of a place.
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I can empathize with your frustrations.

But, that lease is a way for somebody to earn part of their living, or at least supplement their income. Even if the guy is a total assbag it's his land and he's got the right to do with it what he wants.
My opinion: Hunting lease's are one of the few remaining options for rural areas to generate revenue for the local economy.
 
For the first time ever someone called the Grandparents this year to try and lease the farm for hunting. I think they must just get names off the Platt maps or something. Anyway when she said no and started to explain about her kids hunting it the guy hung up on her. I can tell you first hand it left a bad taste in her mouth.
 
Ok, I totally understand that it is a way that a landowner/farmer can generate additional income from the ground.

I have always been against this just because it means only those with money can have a place to hunt.

If the wave of thinking..... "Maybe I should lease some ground before I don't have a place to hunt", continues ......
 
I feel for you guys, though we don't have that problem up here I'm well aware of the existing leases that go on in many states. I can somewhat sypathize or empathize with the landowners if it helps make ends meet, if it doesn't I feel it's greedy. It is true, $$$$ is quickly taking over the sport we love, I love the millions of perfectly huntable acres I have and I love the way our Gov't regulates the outfitters, all outfitting takes place on public ground, keeps the $$ men from tying up all the private property.
 
That sucks to hear that Ghost. Seems like it's getting to be an all too common problem for a-lot of hunters, and I can't help but think that a-lot of us are partially to blame. There is so much emphasis attached to the size of a deer's rack, that anyone with money, no matter how little it might be, is willing to spend it on the chance at a buck that'll win them bragging rights at their workplace for a year. Money makes the world go round' and that's definately true in the deer hunting world. I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else, I buy the videos, I need all the toys for my new bow, and I bought a small chunk of land a few years ago for an outrageous price that I can't do anything with but hunt.
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People, and especially hunters, generally have a competitive nature, and that's never going to change, that's why I think this trend of land leasing is going to get worse and worse, until it becomes a huge business in this state. Eventually we won't have to worry about an out-of-state hunter paying to hunt a section of leased property in this state, it'll be the residents bidding against each other. I don't think this is going to happen overnight, and hopefully not in my lifetime, but look how far it's advanced in the past 10 years. This was way longer than I intended it to be, so I'll get off the box now. Regardless, might not be a bad idea to throw up a few Private Property signs on your fence Ghost, that way they'll know where their leased property ends.
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Sorry to hear that Ghost I know how you feel. My buddy just moved out to a place last year that was surrounded by 2 awesome pieces of property both of which we have had permission for years to hunt just so happens this spring one was leased out and the other was sold.
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Ghost,

I used to agree with you, but now it seems as though leasing is the only way the average person CAN afford to have a piece to themselves. While you may have purchased a piece when prices were still affordable, in my area of the state right now decent timber with a mix of tillable is bringing prices only the ultra rich can afford. The $2000/acre mark has been passed and its moving quickly upward. A small 150 acre tract will bring between a quarter and a half million dollars. Leasing may well be the only option for the average Joe.

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NWBUCK ...yes, I fully understand.

My main point being.....I find it very disheartening that it is has come to this point.
 
I don't understand how a land owner can make money off of an animal they don't even own and is a public resource. Sure that animal probably ate his weight in their beans and corn, but I don't think that gives them the right to charge to give access to the ground to shoot that animal. If they are going to lease for this purpose, they should have to bump up some of those profits to the DNR. After all that animal is under their control. The land owner just made the money back he lost in crops and then some. It won't take too long and Iowa will be like Texas. Note the increased price for Timber land these days. 15 years ago, people couldn't give it away fast enough, now it sells for more than farmable land.

It's all about the Benjamin's, right!!
 
Good grief! Here we go again. I'll tell you, I am proud to be an American and cherish the rights that we have. Funny how we lose sight of that and always think there should be two sets of rules, the selfish attitude that thinks there should be "one rule for me and another one for everyone else". What makes any of us think that the landowner shouldn't make some money off of the land that he owns and what makes any of us think that we should have the right to any private owned land ahead of any other individual?
 
To be quite honest with yah, I dont mind leasing a bit. yes it does suck people lose the right to hunt that farm, and yes it probably will happen to me someday. when it does happen i will either gain access somewhere else or travel to a different area that isn't that well known for big bucks. There is always public land which most people dont even bother to hunt because it is public, which is ridiculous to me. I dont blame the farmers a bit for taking the money, especially small time farmers that dont have alot of land but enough to get by. If i ever do buy a farm I hope all the land around it is leased. Like our new farm the whole west half is leased up, and there is about 12-15 bucks coming out in the beans each night. the two guys that lease the land only shotgun hunt so the whole bow season those bucks will be basically safe unless they come into ours which they will eventually. plus the fact most guys that lease land are the type that want to shoot a big buck and let the little one grow, therefore its like practicing qdm. If the guy does want to pay 1000 bucks a year to shoot a 6 pointer then great, that means the big ones will just get bigger. So I think leasing could possibly be a good thing. It sure does suck about your buddies Ghost but if they are diehard like you they will find big bucks to hunt. big bucks are everywhere, its just up to them to find them
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I have mixed emotions about leasing. I don’t blame the farmers / landowners one bit for leasing their land. There is a market for recreational property and demand is increasing – who can blame them for taking advantage of it. On the other hand, I’ve had some prime land leased out from under me (again, I don’t blame the farmer). I had to travel quite a ways to find some decent land that’s not too overcrowded. I don’t look forward to the day I either pay to take my son hunting or take him to what by then will be overcrowded public property.
 
Scoffin, by your logic the farmers should be receiving another tax break or some sort of subsidy for supporting the "public resource" that is feeding off their land.
Or...farmers shouldn't be able to sell their crops at a profit because the commodities used air and water to grow and those aren't privately held resources either.
Deeper yet...does the government own the deer? What gives the state the right to make money off God's creatures?

I'm not attacking you personally, just your point of view.
 
Leasing is gonna back fire in the farmers face eventually. Guys lease the land for "qdm" and shoot a couple bucks off the ground a year. They dont shoot enough does, then the farmers are pissed the deer are overpopulated. I lost a awesome piece of ground this year to leasing, so I know what your talking about. All the areas that are heavily leased have the most out of whack buck to doe ratio I have ever seen. Sure there are more big bucks, but guys dont see as many when there are a thousand does for the bucks to breed. Why would a big buck get out and cruise around when there is all the does he can handle right there in his neighborhood. I moved once to hunt and I bet one day I will move again. The day I pay to hunt deer is the day I quit.
 
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