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I don't. On one you are paying for conservation...the other you are paying them to make money. I fins it funny when fellow republicans bash welfare(i do too), but take direct subsidy payments. Look up ewg.org as I think that shows the subsidiea taken in each county, even by each farmer. CRP paymenta benefit water quality, what do farm subsidies benefit?
Daver
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Trust me, I am not a Chet Culver apologist by any stretch, but there was much more to the statewide licensing effort a few years ago than a revenue grab. Understand that many municipalities were enforcing licensing in their own town, each with a little different slant on things than the next place. If you were a contractor that worked in multiple cities/towns it was quite confusing, expensive and cumbersome, to say the least, to have everyone properly licensed in every place they may go for work, etc.
Largely with these thoughts in mind there were trade groups that actively pushed for statewide licensing to simplify and also to standardize qualifications for all. Many more urban oriented contractors were all for this, while many more rural contractors were not for it.
mplane72
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I love twisting that knife in my farming buddies side every chance I get.
I can't wait to hear the FB beg and plead for the rest of us to foot the bill to fix the silted in Miss. once the barges can't run anymore. There's a serious problem coming down the road there.
AIRASSAULT
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Thats no doubt.. A fella I work with that does a lot of catfishing in pools 16 and 17 said they hit a lot of areas in the main channel this year with only 8ft of water.
150 Class
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Just in case you folks have forgotten already, the river is low because of the worst drought most of us have ever lived to see.
My point, which is clearly lost on you, is CRP and direct subsidies are different.....and if farmers bitch about welfare...quit taking it..or like farmers in my precinct..put forth a plank that does away with direct subsidies. What's really sickening is guys making huge dollars & converting their crp, wetlands, low csr ground into farmground. Getting paid for farming low csr ground is gheyer than aids. Also...lol at the idea that farm subsidiea are a soley democratic idea...yup. Please tell me you are not brainwashed to think republicans are always right and dems are always wrong.
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150 Class
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Direct subsidy? Your definition of that would be what?
Your, sir, mentioned republicans being bad for taking subsidies. While many farmers, republican or not, would like to see the subsidy programs changed, they would be fools for not taking advantage of any program that benefits them.
By the way, I will say farming is the backbone of this country and farming practices have improved so much in the last century, they have become the true stewards and conservationists of the land.
Do you have any idea what it takes to convert a wetland to cropground?
JNRBRONC
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I'm guessing lots of field tile, a bulldozer, a backhoe, and probably federal govt permission.
I do know first hand what it takes to convert (marginal) crop ground to wetland. :way:
I see many folks bad mouth farmers, either for their ag practices or "subsidies". Nothing stopping those folks from buying some ground (except personal sacrifice on the monetary front) and creating something in their own vision.
mplane72
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I have not forgotten about the drought at all. It has only compounded the problem. Regardless, suppose the low water levels are solely because of the drought and it persists for several years. Do you think everyone is just going to accept the river being closed to commercial navigation? The Corps is scrambling to find a solution right now and from what I've heard it won't be cheap.
I'm not bad mouthing farmers I just have some fun with them. All the jokes I have about farmers and government checks I got from farmers. They are part of a flawed system that can be seen all over this country and many of them I have spoken to know it. Farming now is pretty much big business but they are fortunate to get to stand behind the cloak of "feeding the world" and the difficulty of solving this problem can be seen in the attempts to pass a new farm bill.
turkeyriver
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"farming practices have improved so much in the last century, they have become the true stewards and conservationists of the land." Are you friggin kidding me? Sounds like a line straight from a FB propaganda newsbite. I'm an old guy, lifelong farmer, and am considered an "odd duck" by all the neighbors because I have tree plantings, riparian buffers, alternating strips, waterways,and am 100% no-till. Farmers have the equipment and technology available to them to be great stewards of the land but the vast majority ignore it. Every farmer has a conservation plan in place that they must follow to be eligible for gov't payments but the poor guys at NRCS and FSA have been instructed to ignore them for the most part. I quote," we had to make allowances for guys so they could use 12-row planters." Translated means, "big farmers can cut corners." The rules are on the books. It's just like guns or drugs on the streets, it's illegal,but economics rule. Moldboard plows are gone, but today's chisel plows are so aggressive and bury so much stubble that after spring planting , fields could just as well have been moldboarded. You wouldn't believe some of the land that is being farmed up here in our hills, so steep you would get scared driving a pickup on the contour. Ethanol isn't as much the culprit as world demand. DDGs from ethanol plants is very good livestock feed and replaces a lot of corn. But we are exporting our soil and future productivity to the rest of the world. I'm afraid our kids and grandkids will judge us harshly for what we have done. Answers? I don't have any. Rain and low prices will definitely help tho.
I can drive three miles from home and ask what it takes to make a wetland farmable. Your definition of wetland may not be accurate, it doesn't have to be submerged. Anyway, no one is arguing that farming isn't the backbone of this country. I am arguing that many farmers and apologists, comoletely ignore the environmental damage that is being done. It's pretty pathetic that if I question modern farming practices and threir effects, I get labeled anti capitalism. Christ man, when I said Republican farmers bitching about welfare taking subsidies, my point is they all like to provide me stories of why subsidies are ok vs why foos stamps aren't. They both have some value, subsidies are just not needed at this time. As far as others addressing the capitalism thing....or why I care? Water safety, environmental issues, and our nations obesity all have aspects that can be traced back to modern farming. That is a fact. Also, I care since my tax dollars go to subsidies, both direct and in federal crop insurance. You don't want anyone telling you it's bad to plow under 30 CSR fields or draining wetlands...then you should have integrity enough to not take subsidies. Until that time, deal with people pisses because you value having a new King Ranch every two years vs having a filter stip along your waterway.
spermwhale
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My uncle farms 2000 acres and in the last 2 out of the last 5 years has been able to claim unemployment because his yields were not at the average. Now me being self employed trying to do the same thing (make money) can't get any unemployment from the govt. Farming has been damn good for the last 10 years and i can not complain about being slow either but why are farmers allowed more incentives than anyone else that is self employed. In my line of work I am at the greatest risk out of any for cause of fire because if they can not find a good reason for a fire it is pointed at electrical fire. The way i look at subsidies is its about like unions they had there time and place now it is time for them to go.
You are obviously anti american, you socialist pig you:grin:
I would caution you from claiming obesity and farming are linked as a fact based on a study from some PH.d. who probably never put a shovel in the ground in his life. I love how those in the world of academe hide behind the walls of universities, conduct studies, and tell those who do it for a living how its done. I'm sure the authors who were from New York University and Univesity of California know a ton about farming. I would say today's overweight people and kids are the result of inactivity, laziness, computer games and the pussification of our society that tries to protect us from ourselves at every turn. Give me a break .
Chiro, since my background is not in environmental studies or farming and you claim environmental harm from the practice please provide details on your farming practices(I assume you're a farmer) and exactly how your farming techniques are harming the environment.(I assume you're a biologist or ecologist, etc)
Chiro, since my background is not in environmental studies or farming and you claim environmental harm from the practice please provide details on your farming practices(I assume you're a farmer) and exactly how your farming techniques are harming the environment.(I assume you're a biologist or ecologist, etc)
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You are probably misunderstanding. Farming doesn't cause obesity, eating a corn based diet increases obesity risks, and has also been called a pro-inflammatory diet. So, not sure why the hate for science. Afterall, science has brought new hybrids forth that could still produce a crop with the drought last year. You are correct though that American's in general are fatter now than ever, due to decreases in exercise and activity, but also because of diet. Look at what we eat. Google (is corn pro inflammatory), and read up. Grass fed animals are healthier for us to eat. Doesn't make me a hippy or a democrat for saying that. It makes me wellness minded, fit, and healthy. People wonder why our party is dying off, it's because as a whole, we bash science, educated people, and vote against our own environmental and economic interests.
palex2
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IowaChiro,
Do you know the input costs for farmers? -- I would love for you to have to write that check. You obviously think that every farmer can just go grab his checkbook and start cutting checks. We all don't own a King Ranch every two years.
Do you know the risk each farmer takes every year to make sure there is food on your local supermarkets shelves?? And yes, I'm going to stand behind the steel curtain "We Feed America" because we do.
Your comment about obesity being a result from farmers raising corn is completely bogus and plain ass stupid.
Farming Subsidies are something you believe farmers shouldn't receive? -- You realize that if farmers weren’t subsidized, YOU and all consumers will face price increases on the food you eat? But you probably don't eat corn products cause it causes obesity, I forgot. I'm sorry you have to pay taxes to make sure you are fed. Subsidies are in place for weather conditions (like a drought) and market volatility. Do you know how volatile the grain market is? If you think we all raised 200 bushel corn this year, with the drought, you truly are ignorant. But you seem to have all the answers, just thought I'd share my opinion. Please enlighten me how incorrect my statements are.
Do you know the input costs for farmers? -- I would love for you to have to write that check. You obviously think that every farmer can just go grab his checkbook and start cutting checks. We all don't own a King Ranch every two years.
Do you know the risk each farmer takes every year to make sure there is food on your local supermarkets shelves?? And yes, I'm going to stand behind the steel curtain "We Feed America" because we do.
Your comment about obesity being a result from farmers raising corn is completely bogus and plain ass stupid.
Farming Subsidies are something you believe farmers shouldn't receive? -- You realize that if farmers weren’t subsidized, YOU and all consumers will face price increases on the food you eat? But you probably don't eat corn products cause it causes obesity, I forgot. I'm sorry you have to pay taxes to make sure you are fed. Subsidies are in place for weather conditions (like a drought) and market volatility. Do you know how volatile the grain market is? If you think we all raised 200 bushel corn this year, with the drought, you truly are ignorant. But you seem to have all the answers, just thought I'd share my opinion. Please enlighten me how incorrect my statements are.