letemgrow
PMA Member
It would appear that there are less than 6,000 NR landowners, but if that passes, I bet they keep dipping a little farther into that 6,000 limit with each passing year.
It would appear that there are less than 6,000 NR landowners, but if that passes, I bet they keep dipping a little farther into that 6,000 limit with each passing year.
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venison_fan
Guest
I think that was me and it was like not a word was mentioned about what I said.
LOL! Thanks for being honest in your post though. I would have thought someone would have paid attention to it.
scottonbuck
Well-Known Member
Email sent. I contacted Curt Hanson who was voted in to replace John Whitaker. Mr. Whitaker voted this bill down every year and was very supportive of the Resident hunter.
Send Curt an email and let him know how you feel on this bill. He is a smart and open minded guy and knows who voted him into office.
Send Curt an email and let him know how you feel on this bill. He is a smart and open minded guy and knows who voted him into office.
jkratz5
Well-Known Member
Hahaha...I couldn't even follow some of it....had to use a super hero decoder ring to make sense of some of them....
The topic at hand - wow, that's insane. I'm just asking - is there any other state in the US that allows NR landowners a free tag?
Illinois gives free Landowner tags, I believe whether you are a resident or not. I know that I am no longer a residnet but on my lifetime license I can apply for landowner tags for our ground
Kratz
sethgade280
New Member
How many NR landowners are there is Iowa???? I ask because I really don't know. I know I am one and my buddy owns land kinda by mine, but we are the only NR in a large area. SW is our location. What about the rest of the state?? And yes, there would be alot more I understand if this would pass through
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Iowa farm ground
River1: Iowa has a long history of non-resident investors, or out-of-state investors in farm land. I read an article that stated 20% of all farm ground is owned by out of state investors. When you are #1 in corn production, that is going to happen, and in most cases it has been a good investment.
For farmers it can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it. If you want to buy the farm next to you, but a New York investor buys it instead you miss out on adding to your acres. On the other hand, he is not going to farm it, so that same farmer may be able to rent it instead. I talked with a young farmer in SW Iowa who was able to add on a lot of acres from non-resident owners, most if not all of his acres were owned by out of state investors, and he stated that he would not be farming if the locals owned it. and farmed it themselves.
I live in Minnesota, a lot of our lake property (cabins and homes) are purchased by non-residents. Several are from Iowa. I have never once in my life heard anyone complain about it. It is just a fact of life, we benefit by their $ spent in our community, and they get the same fishing limits and/or hunting limits that we have, they just have to pay a higher price for a license, and no one complains.
We welcome them, and many end up living here once they retire. I guess my point is regardless if this new law passes (which I am sure it will not) outside investment in Iowa will happen regardless.
River1: Iowa has a long history of non-resident investors, or out-of-state investors in farm land. I read an article that stated 20% of all farm ground is owned by out of state investors. When you are #1 in corn production, that is going to happen, and in most cases it has been a good investment.
For farmers it can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it. If you want to buy the farm next to you, but a New York investor buys it instead you miss out on adding to your acres. On the other hand, he is not going to farm it, so that same farmer may be able to rent it instead. I talked with a young farmer in SW Iowa who was able to add on a lot of acres from non-resident owners, most if not all of his acres were owned by out of state investors, and he stated that he would not be farming if the locals owned it. and farmed it themselves.
I live in Minnesota, a lot of our lake property (cabins and homes) are purchased by non-residents. Several are from Iowa. I have never once in my life heard anyone complain about it. It is just a fact of life, we benefit by their $ spent in our community, and they get the same fishing limits and/or hunting limits that we have, they just have to pay a higher price for a license, and no one complains.
We welcome them, and many end up living here once they retire. I guess my point is regardless if this new law passes (which I am sure it will not) outside investment in Iowa will happen regardless.
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venison_fan
Guest
emails sent.
sethgade280
New Member
hardwood 11. good points on the land purchasing. I like the fact that he brought up about buying land and leasing it out to farmers. I have a local that farms my crop and pasture land. He pays me and he gets land to use for cheaper cost. both a win win for us. Now the land cost could explore if this bill passes and I realize that. believe me...i live in wisconsin and see what the NR do to our northern state cabins and cottage prices.
I agree with Hardwood, this will not pass, but havn't most farmers and the Farm Bureau been in support of this type of legislation in the past. I think they have! I would still like to know how many NR landowners there are? With the wealth of knowledge on this site someone has to know, or know where to go to find the answer.
Liv4Rut
Active Member
Jdubs, I found this on Iowa State Website. I couldn't find anything for 2009 or 2010 but in the 2007 survey 21% of all farmland was owned by Nonresidents. It went from 94% owned by residents in I believe 94 then rose to 21% by 2007.
Check out page 14 of 55. It is under the demographics section. Iowa state university typically has good reports regarding farmland. If you dug a little deeper, maybe you would find more info.
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1983.pdf
Check out page 14 of 55. It is under the demographics section. Iowa state university typically has good reports regarding farmland. If you dug a little deeper, maybe you would find more info.
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1983.pdf
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Iowa land
River1: I think you know as well as I do that plenty of Iowa farmers continue to purchase land. Local farmers will always be the No.1 buyer of farm land, with investors buying around 20% of the land.
Jdubs: According to an ag site that I read, the estimated number is 20% (non-resident) owners. Note: Many of those are sons/daughters who inherited their parents farm, but now live out of state. They choose to keep the farm and rent it out, rather than sell the farm and put the proceeds in the stock market or a 2% CD. This group would be considered non-resident, yet they grew up and went to high school and/or college in Iowa.
River1: I think you know as well as I do that plenty of Iowa farmers continue to purchase land. Local farmers will always be the No.1 buyer of farm land, with investors buying around 20% of the land.
Jdubs: According to an ag site that I read, the estimated number is 20% (non-resident) owners. Note: Many of those are sons/daughters who inherited their parents farm, but now live out of state. They choose to keep the farm and rent it out, rather than sell the farm and put the proceeds in the stock market or a 2% CD. This group would be considered non-resident, yet they grew up and went to high school and/or college in Iowa.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
Liv4rut: Found the same statistic on www.wallacesfarmer.com. 21% owned by absentee owners.
Two other intesting facts:
Farmland represents $100 billion dollars in wealth for the state of Iowa
55% of all farmland in Iowa is owned by people over the age of 65.
Article was on Jan 16, 2009 of Wallacesfarmer.
Two other intesting facts:
Farmland represents $100 billion dollars in wealth for the state of Iowa
55% of all farmland in Iowa is owned by people over the age of 65.
Article was on Jan 16, 2009 of Wallacesfarmer.
The definition of "plenty" is where our opinions will differ. 20% is just a figure. If ground in this State became the next hot investement, that number could fly.
By the way, as a non resident fisherman.....I feel for some of the locals up in lake country. Hell, I get tired of looking at all the half million dollar vacation homes that have eaten up all the lake frontages of my old fishing holes. In my eyes, that's a pretty good example of what will happen around here if these bills make it through the process.
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
River1: I guess I can't disagree, there are maybe 7 or 8 bare lots on our lake, which has 50 miles of shoreline.
dbltree
Super Moderator
I think some of you are missing the point...how many there are now is a moot point, how many NR investors buy farmland means nothing in this concern.
We are talking at the very least about hundreds of NR's waiting to buy land should this bill pass. Do the math...multiply hundreds of buyers by hundreds of acres of recreational land and see where your hunting spot will end up??
We are making progress on controling our deer herd with the exception of areas where NR landowners control large amounts of land. The seasons many of us don't like will be less likely to "go away" if our deer herd explodes in new sanctuaries.
The residents of Iowa lose big in many ways if this bill passes! Right now a very large, well organized group of wealthy NR landowners are writing checks to do everything in their power to make it happen.
Don't set on your hands thinking that this bill has no chance of passing...
J_Barton
Member
Dbltree,
Thanks for pointing out how important this fight is.... do not under estimate the persistence of the NR groups fighting for this.
This may have been mentioned on this sight before, but in the last couple of months, a certain realtor has signed a contract with Mossy Oak to open 8 new offices across Iowa specializing in the sale of recreation land. They obviously know some thing is in the works, because there's plenty of real estate companies trying to do this already. It's about Supply and Demand....and Mossy Oak must expect plenty more supply in the upcoming years- which could be the farm you hunted this past fall !!
Keep fighting for our heritage. Wildlife in Iowa is not owned by the landowners....it is owned by the State of Iowa- which is comprised of only the voting residents.
Thanks for pointing out how important this fight is.... do not under estimate the persistence of the NR groups fighting for this.
This may have been mentioned on this sight before, but in the last couple of months, a certain realtor has signed a contract with Mossy Oak to open 8 new offices across Iowa specializing in the sale of recreation land. They obviously know some thing is in the works, because there's plenty of real estate companies trying to do this already. It's about Supply and Demand....and Mossy Oak must expect plenty more supply in the upcoming years- which could be the farm you hunted this past fall !!
Keep fighting for our heritage. Wildlife in Iowa is not owned by the landowners....it is owned by the State of Iowa- which is comprised of only the voting residents.
letemgrow
PMA Member
I know I would like to own IA land, but it seems like a bad bill to pass as residents in IA should get first dibs in my opinion and this would move out a lot of hunters since several NRs with deep pockets would jump on this deal and the entire state of IA is not like southern IA...there is only so much phenominal hunting to go around. :way:
sethgade280
New Member
Agree. If you take the state and divide it up to the best hunting locations, were would the majority of the NR land buyers purchase land?? I know S Iowa is great, but what about the rest of the state in a whole? Would there be a huge concentration of NR in one area? Don't know thats why I am asking because of the quote above with a good point