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CW…. Lemme ask u this one…
“Area A” vs “Area B”…. Nutrition: the same. Genetics: the same (vastly diverse but the same). EVERYTHING THE SAME. Both areas are hundreds of thousands of acres - or just call them STATES. “Area A” or state has a far lessor age class with rifles in early rut. Best genetic bucks targeted & shot far more frequently than lessor genetics. Thus more lessor gen bucks doing more breeding (un-natural due to hunter targeting/preference)

“Area B” the best gen bucks can make it through rut & live to an older age far more often. This also means the lower scoring bucks are also doing the breeding too though. More even breeding opportunities vs Area A.
Do u believe that over a wide area, countless thousands of hunters & decades of time- the targeting of younger higher genetic bucks & the passing of lessor genetic bucks can change the genetics on average?

Not at all, you still aren’t messing with 50% of the genetics when looking at the does. You’ll also still have younger bucks with the better genetics breed before dying in area A. The difference you’ll see is the age class. Thus giving the illusion of more bigger bucks in area B over area A. But if you were to go and change area A to be like area B you’ll end up having the same age class and same percentage of bigger class bucks.


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I think a lot of this is perceived rather than reality with Skips scenario, here’s why…. You cull out what is determined to be inferior genetics. At that point what is left, the bucks that are living having the ability to grow bigger racks because they have better genetics to start with so as they age you feel like you are positively altering the gene pool. Had you not shot those bucks as young poor scoring deer they would have made it to maturity at a higher rate and some of the better genetic/scoring deer would have been shot at a younger age as in scenario age leaving fewer better genetic deer as they mature. Scenario B is a good way to maximize what you have but very unlikely to be impacting the true genetics much but instead is a management practice to increase the odds for better scoring young deer to get the age it needs to show it’s genetic potential. Numbers game again.
 
There is really no way to know which doe to shoot. The only common sense things I've heard about does is to shoot ones with twin buttons because they won't relocate( but then you have more inbreeding)and if your genetics are bad in an area shoot the oldest does possible .
Here is the one thing that I think most people do. You have a herd of does in front of you, the biggest doe gets hammered.
Reason 1, probably not gonna be a button buck, and reason 2, I think guys feel better if they shot a huge doe instead of just a doe.

In general a bigger bodied doe and one that is mature will be able to pass on more in the milk than a younger or small doe. If you like
300+ lb bucks better leave the biggest bodied does out there.

We do have lots of data on cattle. A cow won't produce her biggest calves until at least 5. 1st calf heifers produce the smallest. They have even done studies that show that calves will not reach their genetic potential if they are born in stressful environment years, or the mother was younger and or stressed. In other words a buck might reach 160...was that his genetic potential? If he came from a young small doe it probably wasn't. Had that same buck been born to a 5-8 year old doe in a good environment he might have hit 200. Even though the genetics is there they need to get a great start in life or they won't reach their potential.(proven fact in cattle)

Cattle farmers know that calving heifers is a tough road. Many don't breed back well due to stresses abd their smaller bodies. This is also why 5 year old cow herds will bring the most money. Their calves WILL be better for many years.

A cattle farmer that raised heifers every year and sold his cows that hit 4 years old every year would be lucky to not go broke. This is how our deer herd has somewhat been treated shoot the biggest best does out there and leave the young ones. So don't shoot big does.
 
Not at all, you still aren’t messing with 50% of the genetics when looking at the does. You’ll also still have younger bucks with the better genetics breed before dying in area A. The difference you’ll see is the age class. Thus giving the illusion of more bigger bucks in area B over area A. But if you were to go and change area A to be like area B you’ll end up having the same age class and same percentage of bigger class bucks.


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Nailed it! "Thus giving the illusion of more bigger bucks in area B over area A." Can't be done in the wild. Can only be done over time under highly regulated captive breeding practices. Love it!!!
 
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