IW 2026 Poll Results

[abell3]

I 100% agree. I don’t know how these polls would go on ISC Facebook but agree with booneriverbucks that it would turn out similarly. However, not one of the polls had over 100 votes cast. There are 160,000 deer hunters in Iowa. I personally know tons of guys that coyote hunt with thermal that don’t even deer hunt. Thousands of landowners and tenants would be affected by changing LOT acres or eligibility. The guys here on IW that actually believe we somehow represent the majority of deer hunters in Iowa, is actually laughable. Even though I am one of the die hard guys on IW. I realize that 95% of the average guys who deer hunt in Iowa can’t really relate to me or guys like me as far as my goals or expectations. So I try not to assume that everyone wants what I want. But talking with the average Joe’s it is clear that they are happy with our current regulations but would like to see more deer on the landscape. So I would rather try to accomplish our similar goals/objectives and not divide us by taking things away that won’t really matter in the long run.

I don’t think we should be proposing legislation for most of these issues. Definitely not because of the results of a poll with less than 100 people (who the vast majority I would guess would consider themselves trophy hunters/deer manager’s) participating in it.

I think we should devote 100% of our time and effort on increasing the population. That is something that the vast majority of all of Iowa’s deer hunters would like to see. So the support is already there and I believe Jace is on board. Distracting or dividing deer hunters with these other issues is not a good approach in my opinion.

On thermals, I personally don’t know one guy that thermal hunts that would poach a deer regardless of its size. Are there guys that would or could…sure. I just don’t know of any. Should the penalty for poaching a deer be hefty…absolutely. I think the penalty for poaching trophy bucks is no joke now. I also think pitting thermal coyote hunters against deer hunters is a mistake. They are ultimately helping us deer hunters way more than hurting us. I don’t have a thermal but have considered getting one to help control coyotes and raccoons. Regardless, the poachers will still have all the tools needed to poach. So let’s not group all the good guys with a couple bad guys. I think we should let guys kill coyotes and raccoons year round.

My opinion on feeding during season. I think I know a total of one guy that feeds deer during season and not really consistently. I personally don’t and most guys I know don’t so it doesn’t necessarily affect me other than taking away another landowner right. Most guys I know don’t own enough acres to feed during season because of the radius that it takes out of your farm. So if a guy wants to feed and isn’t hunting over it…who really cares??? Plus, what about granny or someone who likes to feed the wildlife behind the house. Now you have to address that situation. When in reality it’s not even an issue for 99.9% of the landowners or hunters in Iowa. Plus, let’s say a guy is hunting over it, it should be pretty easy to prove.

The vast majority of guys I talk to who are using cell cameras don’t want delayed pictures. I know for any trespassing issues I want the picture immediately so I have the best chance of getting the game warden there ASAP, not 12 hours later. By then they have your farm pushed out, all your good bucks killed, loaded up, and are gone. They also know there is a 99% chance they will never get caught after the fact. Plus after the fact, the game warden isn’t going to spend his time trying to hunt the guy down for just a trespassing charge. Add to that, without catching them on the property with your target buck on the ground there is likely not going to be any poaching charges that will be made. So worst case scenario they have your 200” target buck on the wall but it cost them a measly trespassing charge.

I personally don’t want buck tags taken away as I have explained in other threads.

Taking this scorched earth approach by going after things that you deemed guys don’t need or you’re opposed to will result in the same thing that happened last year when guys pushed for changes to the acre limits for getting a LOT tag. ISC guys kicked the hornets nest. Lots of people got upset and legislators got bombarded with calls in opposition and ultimately nothing changed. I wouldn’t push these issues that divide us.

I just don’t think it will be productive to try to ram these issues down the throats of all the other deer hunters/coyote hunters without getting significant push back and fallout. The reward just isn’t worth the political capital expenditure it will take to accomplish it in my opinion.

Now, if the DNR is on board to eliminate late doe season to boost population…great.
I would support them.

If the DNR was willing to decrease doe tag quotas in most every county that still has them to boost the population… great. I would support them.

If the DNR was willing to look at getting rid of party hunting…great. I would support them.

If the DNR decided to return late muzzleloader to black powder and archery equipment only…great. I would support them.

If the DNR wants to ban trail cameras on public ground…fine. They manage that ground.

Let’s get everyone pushing for more deer on the landscape. Let’s not fight over things that don’t matter or that won’t make a significant difference for all of Iowa’s deer hunters.

Let's play a game. Every time QDM makes a comment about population we all take a drink!

All in good fun here. I believe you are brushing pasted a few points. If you stop and think about cell cams your message isn't really why you want them is it? Even if you get a "real time" photo of a trespasser on your farm the CO that's covering 3 counties isn't anywhere close to your farm anyway. You want them because it makes you have the clear advantage over the target buck. You want to raise the population and keep more does alive. Well if we can get cell cams on a 24 hour delay well keep a ton of bucks alive too. Big buck lives matter too. You can't just be worrying about the good looking slick heads.

Also FYI I don't think it public but one of the biggest poaching cases was done last year. A CO caught a "ring" of 5 guys from Iowa and Missouri that shot over 5 bucks over 200" with thermals over a 4 year time frame. Plus quite a few more big deer. From what I hear a lot of time and investigation efforts went into catching them. Don't know if this is public or not but I know they caught 4 of the 5 guys I believe. Anyone else hear about this? Southern Iowa..

I do agree with you pinning Iowa deer hunters vs coyote hunters doesn't feel like something we should be doing. Kill all the coyotes! Maybe there is another way to solve?

 

[booneriverbucks]

These polls are awesome! I do not care how much they translate to the general hunting population at all! Great entertainment! We all are here for the debate/discussion/ arguements/ even if it seems nasty at times. It’s not! Iron sharpens Iron! We all have to understand the arguements even if we disagree in order to make things better and keep Iowa Great! Don’t get mad! Embrace the fight and keep fighting!! If we all just stayed silent nothing would get done and nothing would get passed. No matter how ugly the disagreements get just keep fighting! Don’t hold back! We are all extremely fortunate to be debating these issues. Keep Iowa Great!!

 

[Rjack]

I believe every one of these changes would move us towards more deer rather than less deer. Seems like a win-win to me.

 

[booneriverbucks]

I believe every one of these changes would move us towards more deer rather than less deer. Seems like a win-win to me.

Totally agree! Reply is not meant for you Rjack!

As someone who enjoys the easiest/ most advantageous bow season god ever created I hate to crap on the apple pie.. Who has it better than iowa Bowhunters??? Why do we need to make things any easier?? Are we really a disadvantaged group of hunters? Is DEI necessary???? These changes would without a doubt limit some and preserve the very good/easy 80+ day bow season that some obviously still struggle to have success with! We have to have some sympathy! We haven’t catered to them enough! Luckily even when the modern day Bowhunter makes a horrible shot and gets nervous and antsy and screws up the recovery we will be able to call in the drones soon and keep his feelings from being hurt! We all bought into the bs and bought all the gear! We all deserve the trophy! Even if we f’d up the shot and recovery. We paid the money for the land and the gadgets tho right??? Nobody has the right to tell us we weren’t successful or not!!! The modern day bow hunter is slowly transitioning to the biggest fraud in hunting. All of you reading this have done things the hard way and earned it!!! Don’t cheapen what you have accomplished!!!!

 

[booneriverbucks]

Totally agree! Reply is not meant for you Rjack!

As someone who enjoys the easiest/ most advantageous bow season god ever created I hate to crap on the apple pie.. Who has it better than iowa Bowhunters??? Why do we need to make things any easier?? Are we really a disadvantaged group of hunters? Is DEI necessary???? These changes would without a doubt limit some and preserve the very good/easy 80+ day bow season that some obviously still struggle to have success with! We have to have some sympathy! We haven’t catered to them enough! Luckily even when the modern day Bowhunter makes a horrible shot and gets nervous and antsy and screws up the recovery we will be able to call in the drones soon and keep his feelings from being hurt! We all bought into the bs and bought all the gear! We all deserve the trophy! Even if we f’d up the shot and recovery. We paid the money for the land and the gadgets tho right??? Nobody has the right to tell us we weren’t successful or not!!! The modern day bow hunter is slowly transitioning to the biggest fraud in hunting. All of you reading this have done things the hard way and earned it!!! Don’t cheapen what you have accomplished!!!!

Also, Rob deserves credit for creating the polls! If we all just sat around and chose not to tackle the issues we’d be like the people of Minneapolis! WEAK! Too scared to comment or act on what really matters. The crazies would run wild and everyone would assume that is the norm. Healthy debate and education and figuring out what really drives the people of the state will be the key to fixing the main issues we have with deer hunting in the state.

 

[Windlooker]

The polls are great but as said a page or two ago the sample size is too small, about 70 people, and they are like minded. In the research world it’s a flawed study even though I agree with all of it.

The legislative session is in full swing. Any intent on presenting this to a rep or senator? If not we wait until next year? Or, some rules can be changed by the over seeing agency, DNR, in relation with already existing law that does not require legislative approval. We could be in that boat with some changes. For example , non residents not party hunting and the revocation of nrlo archery doe tags back in the day were rule changes that did not go through the legislature.

Again, what’s the plan?????

 

[Muskrat24]

Let's play a game. Every time QDM makes a comment about population we all take a drink!

All in good fun here. I believe you are brushing pasted a few points. If you stop and think about cell cams your message isn't really why you want them is it? Even if you get a "real time" photo of a trespasser on your farm the CO that's covering 3 counties isn't anywhere close to your farm anyway. You want them because it makes you have the clear advantage over the target buck. You want to raise the population and keep more does alive. Well if we can get cell cams on a 24 hour delay well keep a ton of bucks alive too. Big buck lives matter too. You can't just be worrying about the good looking slick heads.

Also FYI I don't think it public but one of the biggest poaching cases was done last year. A CO caught a "ring" of 5 guys from Iowa and Missouri that shot over 5 bucks over 200" with thermals over a 4 year time frame. Plus quite a few more big deer. From what I hear a lot of time and investigation efforts went into catching them. Don't know if this is public or not but I know they caught 4 of the 5 guys I believe. Anyone else hear about this? Southern Iowa..

I do agree with you pinning Iowa deer hunters vs coyote hunters doesn't feel like something we should be doing. Kill all the coyotes! Maybe there is another way to solve?

Not a target on you but in your joking tone I have a few legit questions. Many people have cited Indiana one buck being the saving grace there, how can they possibly have big bucks, because they allow cell cams on RTI, oh my? No one has answered this but as I have mentioned I have not gone back to look at who was on the bandwagon on this site last year but all the rage was mature bucks avoid cell cams, now this year cell cams kill all the big bucks. A lot of the argument about more effective killers because of all the technology goes by the wayside when we look at harvest data and Jace’s recent 40% of 1.5 yo old buck harvest. Our buck harvest really hasn’t increased by percentage over the years so how exactly are we being more effective on bucks? I’d like to see the numbers that support the claim. And Jace himself said we are in a balanced place right now on his recent podcast appearance. Hahaha. Last, as a lot of us recognize many (not all) of us on this site lean to trophy hunters. Let’s jump in average Joe’s shoes that 5+ years ago shot a nice 2.5 yo buck each year. Since then he bought a couple cell cams and put in a food plot and is now killing 140” 3/4 yo consistently and is ecstatic! Wonder how he would vote. (Joking here but…) maybe someone should support not hunting over food plots, I’m guessing that would save a lot of bucks too and make hunting a little harder for those that have food plots and mow down corn. Give QDM a hard time if you want, population fixes 3/4 of Iowa but several suggestions made on this post are from the quadrant of Iowa that must not face the same challenges.

I’m surprised 4 guys getting caught killing 4 200” deer with thermals hasn’t made the headlines or this site.

 

[hans1]

Great work on getting this poll put together. I wish there was a way to poll all the game wardens in the State to learn what they believe the challenges to the deer herd are and what changes could be made.
I had a DNR Biologist stop during first gun season. We had 3 bucks hanging in the shop and they wanted to test for CWD. 2 of the bucks were 5-6 year old around 150-155 one was mid 160s but likely only 4 . The biologist said in 4 days of checking hunters these were the 3 biggest buck he had seen. I asked if the quality was down and he said yes alot in his 5/6 years in this area. When i asked why, he said Straight wall cartridges without hesitation.

 

[Muskrat24]

Great work on getting this poll put together. I wish there was a way to poll all the game wardens in the State to learn what they believe the challenges to the deer herd are and what changes could be made.
I had a DNR Biologist stop during first gun season. We had 3 bucks hanging in the shop and they wanted to test for CWD. 2 of the bucks were 5-6 year old around 150-155 one was mid 160s but likely only 4 . The biologist said in 4 days of checking hunters these were the 3 biggest buck he had seen. I asked if the quality was down and he said yes alot in his 5/6 years in this area. When i asked why, he said Straight wall cartridges without hesitation.

I guess I heard on the podcast that it is hard to tell if quality is down…. Must been a different biologist.

 

[newfarmer]

I guess I heard on the podcast that it is hard to tell if quality is down…. Must been a different biologist.

How I heard it- or what I heard
Jace said on a podcast it’s hard to tell- hans1 said “a biologist stopped by”… doesn’t mean it’s Jace- and means they likely aren’t talking heavily internally in different areas…
Just my opinion

 

[chopperz]

I 100% agree. I don’t know how these polls would go on ISC Facebook but agree with booneriverbucks that it would turn out similarly. However, not one of the polls had over 100 votes cast. There are 160,000 deer hunters in Iowa. I personally know tons of guys that coyote hunt with thermal that don’t even deer hunt. Thousands of landowners and tenants would be affected by changing LOT acres or eligibility. The guys here on IW that actually believe we somehow represent the majority of deer hunters in Iowa, is actually laughable. Even though I am one of the die hard guys on IW. I realize that 95% of the average guys who deer hunt in Iowa can’t really relate to me or guys like me as far as my goals or expectations. So I try not to assume that everyone wants what I want. But talking with the average Joe’s it is clear that they are happy with our current regulations but would like to see more deer on the landscape. So I would rather try to accomplish our similar goals/objectives and not divide us by taking things away that won’t really matter in the long run.

I don’t think we should be proposing legislation for most of these issues. Definitely not because of the results of a poll with less than 100 people (who the vast majority I would guess would consider themselves trophy hunters/deer manager’s) participating in it.

I think we should devote 100% of our time and effort on increasing the population. That is something that the vast majority of all of Iowa’s deer hunters would like to see. So the support is already there and I believe Jace is on board. Distracting or dividing deer hunters with these other issues is not a good approach in my opinion.

On thermals, I personally don’t know one guy that thermal hunts that would poach a deer regardless of its size. Are there guys that would or could…sure. I just don’t know of any. Should the penalty for poaching a deer be hefty…absolutely. I think the penalty for poaching trophy bucks is no joke now. I also think pitting thermal coyote hunters against deer hunters is a mistake. They are ultimately helping us deer hunters way more than hurting us. I don’t have a thermal but have considered getting one to help control coyotes and raccoons. Regardless, the poachers will still have all the tools needed to poach. So let’s not group all the good guys with a couple bad guys. I think we should let guys kill coyotes and raccoons year round.

My opinion on feeding during season. I think I know a total of one guy that feeds deer during season and not really consistently. I personally don’t and most guys I know don’t so it doesn’t necessarily affect me other than taking away another landowner right. Most guys I know don’t own enough acres to feed during season because of the radius that it takes out of your farm. So if a guy wants to feed and isn’t hunting over it…who really cares??? Plus, what about granny or someone who likes to feed the wildlife behind the house. Now you have to address that situation. When in reality it’s not even an issue for 99.9% of the landowners or hunters in Iowa. Plus, let’s say a guy is hunting over it, it should be pretty easy to prove.

The vast majority of guys I talk to who are using cell cameras don’t want delayed pictures. I know for any trespassing issues I want the picture immediately so I have the best chance of getting the game warden there ASAP, not 12 hours later. By then they have your farm pushed out, all your good bucks killed, loaded up, and are gone. They also know there is a 99% chance they will never get caught after the fact. Plus after the fact, the game warden isn’t going to spend his time trying to hunt the guy down for just a trespassing charge. Add to that, without catching them on the property with your target buck on the ground there is likely not going to be any poaching charges that will be made. So worst case scenario they have your 200” target buck on the wall but it cost them a measly trespassing charge.

I personally don’t want buck tags taken away as I have explained in other threads.

Taking this scorched earth approach by going after things that you deemed guys don’t need or you’re opposed to will result in the same thing that happened last year when guys pushed for changes to the acre limits for getting a LOT tag. ISC guys kicked the hornets nest. Lots of people got upset and legislators got bombarded with calls in opposition and ultimately nothing changed. I wouldn’t push these issues that divide us.

I just don’t think it will be productive to try to ram these issues down the throats of all the other deer hunters/coyote hunters without getting significant push back and fallout. The reward just isn’t worth the political capital expenditure it will take to accomplish it in my opinion.

Now, if the DNR is on board to eliminate late doe season to boost population…great.
I would support them.

If the DNR was willing to decrease doe tag quotas in most every county that still has them to boost the population… great. I would support them.

If the DNR was willing to look at getting rid of party hunting…great. I would support them.

If the DNR decided to return late muzzleloader to black powder and archery equipment only…great. I would support them.

If the DNR wants to ban trail cameras on public ground…fine. They manage that ground.

Let’s get everyone pushing for more deer on the landscape. Let’s not fight over things that don’t matter or that won’t make a significant difference for all of Iowa’s deer hunters.

I agree w this post and so do most of my buddies that are pretty much bow hunters who care about the resource by planting plots ect....u can take all these things away and it isn't going to bring back the #s. I have been hunting the same area for 24 yrs and I've never seen so few deer. The #s aren't going to rebound when say there are 100 deer out there and 1000 hunters pursue them. I honestly believe that in alot of counties there needs to be a quota on how many gun tags are sold because in my area 75% of the deer are killed w guns

 

[Muskrat24]

How I heard it- or what I heard
Jace said on a podcast it’s hard to tell- hans1 said “a biologist stopped by”… doesn’t mean it’s Jace- and means they likely aren’t talking heavily internally in different areas…
Just my opinion

Biologists in the same state “not talking heavily internally” gives me a lot of comfort when they should have a SIGNIFICANT roll in managing the resource…. Is Jace not the state deer biologist? Would it not be part of their jobs to work together?

 

[DMarley83]

Great work on getting this poll put together. I wish there was a way to poll all the game wardens in the State to learn what they believe the challenges to the deer herd are and what changes could be made.
I had a DNR Biologist stop during first gun season. We had 3 bucks hanging in the shop and they wanted to test for CWD. 2 of the bucks were 5-6 year old around 150-155 one was mid 160s but likely only 4 . The biologist said in 4 days of checking hunters these were the 3 biggest buck he had seen. I asked if the quality was down and he said yes alot in his 5/6 years in this area. When i asked why, he said Straight wall cartridges without hesitation.

I too side with his position in the accuracy of straight wall cartridges. I have been beating this drum for many years now.

When I started youth hunting in the early 90s I was fortunate enought to get a New England Arms Single shot shot gun for Xmas.

It was affective to about 50 yds. It was many many hunts before getting a deer with my gun. Actually got a couple with bow first.

Fast forward to today. I have been youth hunting with kids for about 10 years, when they decide to shoot a deer they get it. Prob 20ish + kills, not sure exact # but in that range. I can remember 2 non sucsessfull hunts.

Take that same scenario and apply it across all the gun seasons with able adults behind the gun...... Its a major component!!!!

 

[hans1]

The biologist was not Jace. The guys name was Dave Hoffman he is a very knowledgeable Biologist and has run other programs for the DNR such as Swans and Otter Reintroduction. He is also a serious hunter himself. Ironically i had pheasant hunted with Jace a few days before this but didnt want to drag him into deer conversations on his day off.

 

[Stoney]

I too side with his position in the accuracy of straight wall cartridges. I have been beating this drum for many years now.

When I started youth hunting in the early 90s I was fortunate enought to get a New England Arms Single shot shot gun for Xmas.

It was affective to about 50 yds. It was many many hunts before getting a deer with my gun. Actually got a couple with bow first.

Fast forward to today. I have been youth hunting with kids for about 10 years, when they decide to shoot a deer they get it. Prob 20ish + kills, not sure exact # but in that range. I can remember 2 non sucsessfull hunts.

Take that same scenario and apply it across all the gun seasons with able adults behind the gun...... Its a major component!!!!

Funny to think about all the deer I missed in my youth shooting a Remington 870 pump 20 gauge with foster style slugs.
Fast forward, neither one of my kids missed or wounded a single deer in all their years of youth deer hunting.

 

[tall@wide]

Great work on getting this poll put together. I wish there was a way to poll all the game wardens in the State to learn what they believe the challenges to the deer herd are and what changes could be made.
I had a DNR Biologist stop during first gun season. We had 3 bucks hanging in the shop and they wanted to test for CWD. 2 of the bucks were 5-6 year old around 150-155 one was mid 160s but likely only 4 . The biologist said in 4 days of checking hunters these were the 3 biggest buck he had seen. I asked if the quality was down and he said yes alot in his 5/6 years in this area. When i asked why, he said Straight wall cartridges without hesitation.

It doesn't get any easier than sitting over standing beans or mowed corn during the guns and late muzz season. Every buck around comes in during afternoon hunts. It is so easy I would not even consider it hunting, it's killing. Now the guys hunting without the food, that is a challenge.

 

[Iowa]

Yep, Doesn’t get any easier than saving up to buy a farm, manage it for deer, plant a plot, spray it, in some cases fence it off, put a blind up and then just shoot any deer you want any night you choose.

 

[Windlooker]

Really. That’s BS. I hunted permission farms in my past and I asked the farmer to leave a little beans or can I put a plot here or there. Very little has changed. Instead of the Redneck blinds I sat in a homemade blind. Wow. There’s a difference? Started doing that in the early 90s. You don’t know or aren’t old enough to know the past

 

[Sligh1]

I completely agree with iowaqdm.

On the thermal issue, even if we get rid of thermal hunting completely, a poacher can still be out in the field with a thermal rifle, correct? If he's stopped, he can just say he's target shooting, testing it out, etc. Doesn't he have to be caught shooting a deer (or other wildlife if thermal hunting is banned) to actually be charged?

They wouldn’t be able to if thermals were added to existing law which does not allow Night Vision or any artificial light.
Precisely why law enforcement is pulling guys over they know or strongly suspect are poaching…. there is no night vision or spotlights but there is: thermals with suppressed rifles. The poachers are absolutely using this option to make it far easier to poach and not get caught. Law enforcement is extremely frustrated on how this is exploited by the scumbag poachers.
Pulled over with NV or spotlight - done - CO can immediately start writing tickets & escalating. Pulled over with thermals “I was just shooting coons and coyotes”.
I’m in around 8 counties during deer season. Talk to a big amount of CO’s on this issue…… whether you are for or against thermals during deer season…. it’s happening “a lot”. No one, even on here, would grasp how many lunatics are out in “good areas” scanning fields & poaching from 10pm to 3am. Most are asleep or gone. These dudes do this suppressed. Another thing folks don’t understand ….. how many guys from down south: Louisiana, arksansas, MS, FL, etc or up N like WI or MN….. drive here & spend a week doing this. All at night. We’ve had piles of them in the last 5 years & it’s getting worse, not better. This is these guys “hunting season”. They know if they get pulled over - Almost nothing a co can do unless they catch em in act or with the body. Many scumbags are getting pulled over & almost nothing you can do. But… the Vast majority are not being pulled over as no one hears or sees it going on. It’s the unknown problem of the night in iowa. & it’s far more common than anyone on here might realize. & a bigger pile of these idiots are adding thermal drones to the mix. As thermals come down in price - this is just gonna get worse. Whether u for using them during deer season or not- the reality is- it’s getting worse.


Ok few honest questions…..
1) what would u guys guess the number of guys statewide that thermal hunt during deer season for coyotes is???? 500? 5000? 50000? Genuinely curious.
2) how many would quit if you could only use thermals for 8 months of the year? Plus regular scopes 12 months of the year.
3) how many DEER HUNTERS are out there pounding coyotes with thermals in November for example? Genuine ? My bias on that: I’m exhausted during deer season or im focused on deer. If someone asked me to thermal on Nov 10- ha, no way!!!!! November is probably the worst month for thermal poaching of deer btw.
4) what else can be done? Cause it’s a frigin problem!!!!! Other ideas if u want to keep thermals during deer season…. $20k fine & 5 years loss of hunting & confiscation of all equipment (vehicles included when used in crimes) if caught poaching with thermals? Must be in a locked case with no accessible ammo while in vehicle? I will say this- the problem is getting worse. Why most states have banned it. We have to do SOMETHING & very open to hearing views.
5) my last FAIR QUESTION to my friends that don’t want to see them go or get restricted in deer season: would u be in favor of also allowing Night Vision & spotlights for coyotes during deer season?

 

[CurtisWalker]

There’s no way they can ticket you for having IR in your truck. You have to be caught in the act of using it. That’s the biggest pile of crap ever. You can constitutional carry there’s no laws saying you can’t have IR, NV on your gun either. If you want to make the difference make the law gun has to be cased and cased separately from ammunition.

The argument saying if they see IR on your rifle is a done deal is the dumbest thing I think I’ve ever heard you say. And there’s no way in hell if they did do that that it would hold up in court