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Just to stir the pot a little

Yes I agree (Oranges to apples) But if were concerned with human safety a death is still a death. And a dollar is still a dollar.

United States and Canada from 1890 through 1990 indicated there were 53 cougar attacks on humans during this period nine attacks resulting in 10 human deaths

If I was a betting man I would say on any given day I would have a better chance of winning the lottery than being attacked by a cat. Even if I spent most of my time in the woods. I would also bet I would have a better chance at hitting a deer with my car than winning the lottery.

From a farmers perspective which would do more damage deer or cats , again I think the answer would be deer.

If we can’t afford the risks of having a few cats in the state I definitely think we can’t afford the risk and damage that deer cause. (Dollar for dollar Death for Death)

Iowa Wisconsin similar parts of the county I’m sure the deer damage would be similar.

The circle of life we are all part of it. All life needs to be protected and managed.

I dont always agree to disagree.
 
OK,I have waited four days while reading all the input from other people to make my opinion.I have to say that I would not shoot one just to shoot it for no apparent reason than just killing it for the sake of,well,killing it.Now if I were to be able to hunt one and test my hunting ability against its senses then I would try to do that.There is a difference between "killing" one and "hunting" one.No one has mentioned yet that there have been no attacks in Iowa,yet I see a lot of post with people saying that there are far more than we realize in Iowa.Yes they are a predator,blaa,blaa,blaa and all that but the bottom line is an attack would be a real rarity and something I personally would not be too concerned about.Before anyone jumps on saying I would change my tune "if an attack happened to me or one of my kids",well,that is the problem,"if".Anyone can say that about any dangerous animal but like I said the chance of it happening is miniscule at best.........But it is a good conversation piece.
 
Just a thought, how many deaths a year are caused by guns?Now how many are caused by lions?So whats your reaction gonna be when they come for your guns?

Apples and oranges right?Wrong..Theres so many ways to die that getting eaten by mountain lion comes in way at the bottom of the list, right before getting sat on by an elephant.

Deer and lions, same deal.Whats a cow worth? And how much corn and beans can a deer eat in a year?Now, how many thousand deer do we have in the state?Now how many cows would a lion have to eat to compete with the crop damage deer cause every year?

And another thing, how many cows have you seen in your life?Now how many mountain lions?Id feed one a cow to get a look at him, Ive already seen enough cows to last me a lifetime.And on the subject of cows, how many traffic accidents were caused by cows standing in the road last year?I can think of two around here.Now should we kill all the cows before they kill someone by playing in the road?Because I really, truly believe my chances of hitting a cow with my car are better than my chances of being mauled by a lion.

And nobody said the DNR was on a mission to save these cats, they tried last year to pass a bill protecting them, it was shot down by the politicians, go figure, id much rather have them governing our wildlife then the DNR anyway.

Sorry, Im being a little sarcastic but near as I can tell there hasnt been a person or any livestock in the state touched by one of these cats yet you all are ready to shoot em on sight because of the threat they MIGHT pose in the future.If and when they do present a problem Im sure there will be a press release advising us to kill them on sight.Untill then whats so difficult about letting them go and contacting the DNR like they advised everyone to.If you do happen to shoot one and just cripple it make sure to follow it up, then youll really know what an unsafe situation looks like.
 
see my earier posts regarding deer tine. the dnr has steadily increased bag limits on deer over the past few years. they are actively dealing with that issue as they will actively deal with the cat issue. you are obviously a cat lover. i'm happy for you. they will be managed though.
 
Sounds a bit like the debate over Iraq threat. You can like it or not but now we need to support our troops.
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I think if the DNR would contact a few lion hound runners from Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico and Utah and ran the lions around a couple of years, the cats would want nothing to do with the human element.This is what is done in alot of areas. I hunt a couple of areas for mulies and have seen cats a few times. They can't run fast enough from seeing me!! I respect these assume creatures. A buddy of mine raises llamas and had a big male cat kill three of his female llamas's. He would drag them by the neck and jump a six foot chain link fence like it was a snowshoe rabbit. He has livestock insurance.He really was to bummed he basically stated: "Heck, I live where mountain lions live, I can't expect noting to happen once in awhile.They ran dogs on it and shot this one and it was about 11 1/2 ft from nose to tail tip. Where I hunt in western NEB there are cats as well, I think the chances are alot less then getting bit by a copperhead or rattlesnake. I think if you hog hunt you got a bigger chance of getting ripped. I understand everyones fear of these guys!! Two years ago elk hunting we ran across a lion kill and looked underneath the brush by the kill about 150yds away and saw the female with a cub. The next day we observed the cub eating the deer kill. I think, if the DNR would have some guys run (contracted) lion hounds on these cats it would help alot without destroying them all together. This is what wildlife is all about!! If you fish for Steelhead in BC you accept the risk of being chomped by a brown bear and if you hunt deer or elk, well, you watch your back for cougar's. If the lion becomes an issue hunt it down. Control and not elimination is the key!
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horst,

You'd feed a mountain lion a cow just to get a look at him?? Maybe someone else's cow you would, but at $80/hundred weight, feeding a 1200 lb. cow to a lion would cost you nearly a thousand bucks. I doubt you'd make that trade if it were your own cow. It'd be much cheaper to go to the zoo.

NWBuck
 
I was thinking the exact same thing NWbuck, thats a pretty hefty price tag for seeing a mountain lion. Horst, it would be much cheaper to bait with deer carcasses. Just givin' ya a little crap. Us cattle farmers in NW Iowa value our home raised calves.
 
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