Correct- they ask for 1 parcel. Not all
Different discussion in my opinion. Party hunting and two buck limits are not related because even if we go to two buck limits the party hunting still allows a buck to be harvested for every any sex tag in the group. Completely legal right now to shoot above 3 bucks in the gun seasons as a party member as long as the part still has unfilled any sex tags. That is not in the discussion to change that I have read. In fact it is proposed to be changed back where a NR in the party can do all the shooting in one of the proposed bills. I believe that just changed where NR could not participate in the past couple years I THINK.
As muskrat said really a different topic but...........
But they see them all and have good idea how much property a person owns. When my assessors site is pulled up, and my parcel numbers are visible, there’s a feature that lets one “map these”. Hitting that highlights every piece owned. Some counties have that feature some don’t.
I do want to say, 1000 times over, thank you for all that you do Skip. And everyone that can attend and has attended, Thank you. Some days I can potentially make it and some days not. I am closer to Minneapolis than I am Des Moines, so it's tough sometimes. Thank you all- and again, thank everyone for civil discussion through various topics. This is the one forum I feel is capable of constructive conversation versus finger pointing and name calling. Thanks everyone!
Sorry, had a few bigger issues than deer hunting come up. In general I like ISC and do totally believe they are working for the vast majority of us MOST of the time. BUT me and SEVERAL others that have spoken with certain leaders of the group all came up with the same conclusions. Good group- will fight the big battles BUT definitely have another agenda they are not so public about. Not saying we are right but we all felt a very anti-party hunting, pro-one buck (except the mulligan for landowners) and anti-gun hunting vibe. During the floating tag bill last year the silence was DEAFENING!! On here too!! I followed the bill the whole time and could not believe how hardly anybody was talking about it. I was shocked how surprised everybody on here was that it passed! To me it is obvious that there was a reason it was not brought up much. Obviously many many people knew it gave them a HUGE advantage and did not want anybody else to catch on. SELFISHLY i kept my mouth shut too! This current bill is exactly the same! Why is ISC not publicly cheering this on and blasting it all over facebook like the other bills they support???? Why is the guy with 39.5 acres bending over and taking it for the good of the herd while his neighbor with 40.5 is laughing at him with 3 anysex tags in his pocket?? Again, It is without a doubt well intentioned but in practice does little to solve any real issues. This is as big of a special interest bill as any. If you sit in your stand and get irritated about some other guy with 3 anysex tags screwing up your deer hunting when you think he only DESERVES 2 because he has a little less than you, you are the one that is all about ME ME ME! Not him!few things & we both know we respect each other & it’s ok to have differing views…
1) I believe this is VERY similar to a guy saying “I voted for Trump. Gave him my $. I disagree with _____ that he’s doing!!!” There’s zero person or group u will agree with everything. & for the record, I had a $30k cost share project that cost me about $60k by time I complete it. I got a call last week “that $ is on hold.” (DUE TO TRUMP!!!!). Am I mad? Nope!!!! Is it taking away from ME - YEP!!! Is it for the greater good? YEP. Even if I was pissed or it truly took away something great- there will NEVER be a time we agree with everyone all the time.
2) groups like IBA, ISC, etc TRY to come up with bills or support bills that: help the greater good (ALWAYS will have some pissed off people no matter the issue!!!!) Or support other orgs that will support them later. I might support the “conservation alliance” on an issue that’s near & dear to them I can get behind & hope to get their support later.
3) NO ONE is gonna convince me that the ISC & IBA do not have the purest best intentions & motives PERIOD!!!!!!! Does this mean that they could not have a perfect solution to something? SURE. Could they make a mistake (not saying they making or not making one here)? Sure. All the other special interests that have impact Iowas hunting have been based in: $ or ME. Period. More killing, new weapons, kill all the crop eating deer, more tags for this _____ group. All $ & me. ISC, IBA, etc have not one drop of that!!!!!!!!!! The first time you can see any good group looking to do good things, whether u agree or not. They are.
4) “but it impacts ME” …. I am not dismissing that. Anything political or regulatory will impact certain people or everyone. I just look at the alternative here….. “i own 5 acres so now……..”. NOW, if that’s the case….. the guy with 5 acres can shoot a buck during about 90 days of archery season. They can get a doe tag (and transfer a buck tag) during a gun season & hunt one of the other gun seasons to shoot a 2nd buck (so- what are they missing out on? 1 of the gun seasons maybe???) The same hunting you could do on LOT tag for the last 20 years until they changed law last year to make it floating. They can shoot the county allotted limit of does. To ME (& I promise, I am not trying to be divisive or lacking empathy) - that’s a lot of hunting & killing. A lot!!! On that same token of trying to be kind how I say this (I love you all!!!!) ……. If the acre minimum was 40 acres to get a LOT tag…. Would there be ANY meaningful support if the bill was proposed to bring the minimum from 40 to 5 or 2?
Not a comment on your whole post just an addition!! All of us younger guys would love to buy the 80,160, 500 plus acres some of the older guys did back in the day. The money is ABSOLUTELY not equivalent!!! I always remembered a 40 by me that was 50/50 timber/crop that went for 42,000 in 2001…. Not great ground but mid 60’s CSR.. Last year it sold for 229,000. An inflation calculator says in today’s money that land would sell for around 80 grand. Our generation is screwed. AGAIN!! 20-25 years ago people that earned the equivalent to half of what we make had WAY more buying power. They rode this whole thing all the way up and now that they are at the top they don’t want us to enjoy the same advantages they had. It’s BS. Unfortunately it’s the same old story. Get to the top and then ask the government to step in and limit those behind you from doing the same things you took advantage of during your rise to power.
I find that to be a pretty convoluted argument about a 3rd buck tag.
Good posts!!!!Sorry, had a few bigger issues than deer hunting come up. In general I like ISC and do totally believe they are working for the vast majority of us MOST of the time. BUT me and SEVERAL others that have spoken with certain leaders of the group all came up with the same conclusions. Good group- will fight the big battles BUT definitely have another agenda they are not so public about. Not saying we are right but we all felt a very anti-party hunting, pro-one buck (except the mulligan for landowners) and anti-gun hunting vibe. During the floating tag bill last year the silence was DEAFENING!! On here too!! I followed the bill the whole time and could not believe how hardly anybody was talking about it. I was shocked how surprised everybody on here was that it passed! To me it is obvious that there was a reason it was not brought up much. Obviously many many people knew it gave them a HUGE advantage and did not want anybody else to catch on. SELFISHLY i kept my mouth shut too! This current bill is exactly the same! Why is ISC not publicly cheering this on and blasting it all over facebook like the other bills they support???? Why is the guy with 39.5 acres bending over and taking it for the good of the herd while his neighbor with 40.5 is laughing at him with 3 anysex tags in his pocket?? Again, It is without a doubt well intentioned but in practice does little to solve any real issues. This is as big of a special interest bill as any. If you sit in your stand and get irritated about some other guy with 3 anysex tags screwing up your deer hunting when you think he only DESERVES 2 because he has a little less than you, you are the one that is all about ME ME ME! Not him!
Ps. I’ve always appreciated your respect!! Even if I spouted off in a weak moment and it was not deserved!!!(obviously your service too!). Don’t ever feel the need to hold back when making an argument tho. Let it all fly!! Just like you, I have no problem if the herd and the great residents of this state come out on top!! My feelings can be sacrificed
My MAIN issue is with the older generation of landowners telling the younger generation that they are not up to their STATUS yet and haven’t worked HARD enough to gain the same benefits they have thoroughly enjoyed over the last 30+ years!! It is complete BS!!!!! The heck with that BS!! Half of them probably inherited it anyway!!! You guys are not any smarter or didn’t work any harder than the younger generation!! You hit the lottery on the timeline of life!!! It’s really that simple.
My 80 was $115k. I was I think 22 & I saved LITERALLY since I was 10 years old FOR LAND. A poor kid with 6 siblings & we had no $. Yep- I did get lucky on timing!!!! How old are you BTW?
There was definitely a time in this country when the older generations ate the sh%t sandwich and did the hard things to improve the lives of future generations. I feel this bill does the complete opposite. The older generation once again is sitting there and is telling the younger generation to be happy even tho you have less while yet again they pass on making any true sacrifices themselves. This is the same reason we are 36+ trillion in debt. Older better off generations do not want to pay for what they have screwed up and once again want to pass on the debt to someone else. I’m personally sick of this scenario.
