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Penetration or Cut??

I'll take a pass through over no pass through any day...

That being said, every deer I've shot with the Rage heads has been a pass through. I shoot a short draw and 58 pounds. I've shot deer with fixed heads that passed clean through and I've shot some that didn't. I don't like the old mechanicals, but I love the Rage design....(this isn't a discussion on Rages though /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif)

I can see both sides of the "argument".... Shot placement, mechanical reliability, blood trails, cutting diameters, energy transferred, etc etc. A lot of variables come into play. To each their own. If it works, don't fix it, and if it doesn't, look elsewhere. In the end, if you can kill the deer and find the deer, then that's all that really matters.
 
Damage to vitals = dead deer.
Pass through = blood trail for higher % recovery.

I go for damage and hope for pass through
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damage to deer = yes dead.........4 farms away. </div></div>

I disagree. I haven't had pass through on the last 5 bucks I have shot and all but one died in sight the other I heard fall. Massive trama created by a large diameter broadhead (in my case jak hammers) = dead deer for me.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damage to deer = yes dead.........4 farms away.

Pass thru = dead deer on your farm. </div></div>


What if they can go for 20 miles without you worrying about a property line you don't have access to? /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Like I said, I'm no expert, but my 2 bow bucks, no pass through and down to China town in a hurry.
 
I will follow that up with the fact that 2 of the 5 were pass through and obviously there was more blood with those but with a marginal hit I feel more confident cutting as much tissue/organ as possible.
 
I will go as far as to say that outside of tracking a poorly hit deer where you will get 99% pass thru's if gut shot....pass throughs are not necessary at all. I usually hit the off shoulder and do not achieve a pass through on 50% + of the deer I kill. IT doesn't matter what-so-ever. I agree with Limb....the more tissue damage the better.

The more important factor is how aggressive you get in following up your wounded animal. If you wait...it will likely turn out great!

No question...pass throughs are preferred but not needed IMO.
 
Chicken, your a pro, and your shot placement is probably alot better than alot of guys /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif I have hit deer every way possible... tore apart some insides and have watched them plow at 20 yards.... but, that one little slip up, can and will leave your buck hidden and tucked away on another property... I rather see 2 holes and some leakage /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Typical250</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chicken, your a pro, and your shot placement is probably alot better than alot of guys /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif I have hit deer every way possible... tore apart some insides and have watched them plow at 20 yards.... but, that one little slip up, can and will leave your buck hidden and tucked away on another property... I rather see 2 holes and some leakage /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif </div></div>

in the instance where i make a poor shot, i would much rather have an exit shot. you could kill a deer with a field point if you hit him right. so that sorta takes the "Kind" of broad head out of the equation. if you hit him good, he is going down. but if you pull or make a marginal hit, i would want as much blood as possible. a pass through will ensure as much blood as possible!

ill still take two holes
 
I want video of a field point kill!! Dude I've tried to kill 300lb farm pigs with field point at close range and got nothing!Maybe 2" of penitration... :/and the only reason I have shot pigs is because...."My pig, My bacon"
 
When that buck of a ligfe time walks in, I aint taking no chances on unreliable mechanical heads.

The best solution in my opinon, tune your bow properly so fixed heads fly great, hit them in the 10 spot, and it doesnt matter if you get a pass through or 5 inches of penetration, he;s dead in 100 yrds.

I have never had trouble with Muzzy's, but if you want bigger cut, check out G5 Stryker MAGNUMS. I filmed a bear hunt this spring with a guy using them, un believable what a 1.5" fixed can do for damage.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">unreliable mechanical heads.
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Look at Limbchicken's lineup of stud bucks. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Shoot what makes you confident..for me that's my reliable mechanicals. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
 
Not saying they wont kill one, but there is a reason they are being banned at a rapid rate.

Ive seen mechanicals fail 2 outta 3 times, miserablly. Personally, after harvesting 2 deer I would not yet have an abundence of confidence in anything, wait till you hit a little to close to the shoulder, or a rib at a bad angle, I know most think it wont happen to them, but it will. Let me know how those gimmicks hold up then.
 
I tried expandables last year and had a real bad experience with them. Expandables and shoulder do not work good together!!! If you hit them in the right spot they sure do some damage, but i'm not taking that chance again!
 
last 20 deer I have used NAP spitfires. I switched mainly to get away from plane from early broadheads. I have had a couple of them deflect during entry, but mostly they seem to blow through on a good double lung hit. What is interesting, of those that I didnt get a pass through, the blades close up and the arrow falls out through the entrance wound. Within 30 yds ( if the deer goes that far) it opens the wound channel back up and makes for an easy track job. The only time I have had a problem is hitting a little high. The deer has to start "filling up" before you start to notice sign, but mostly they seem to go down within sight. I know there are a great number of fixed blades out there, but I got enough other problems bowhunting to mess with sucess
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ive seen mechanicals fail 2 outta 3 times, miserablly. Personally, after harvesting 2 deer I would not yet have an abundence of confidence in anything, wait till you hit a little to close to the shoulder, or a rib at a bad angle, I know most think it wont happen to them, but it will. Let me know how those gimmicks hold up then.</div></div>

3 deer. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Last yrs buck was right through the shoulder. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Anyways, thanks for the vote of confidence sensai.
I personally let people shoot what they want to shoot without badmouthing them too much. I find there are an awful lot of elitists in the sport of archery, I'd rather not be one.

When I used to play alot of hockey I always got a kick out of guys who looked at their stick when they blew a shot..like it was the stick's fault. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I guess when the time comes when I fail miserably I'll likely pull the old smokepole out again because until now, I've never lost a deer regardless weapon and I hope I never do.
 
Saskguy said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess when the time comes when I fail miserably I'll likely pull the old smokepole out again because until now, I've never lost a deer regardless weapon and I hope I never do. </div></div>

You better nock on some wood! Because i don't know many bow hunters that are 100% in finding deer they shot! Just don't want you jinxing yourself! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Saskguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ive seen mechanicals fail 2 outta 3 times, miserablly. Personally, after harvesting 2 deer I would not yet have an abundence of confidence in anything, wait till you hit a little to close to the shoulder, or a rib at a bad angle, I know most think it wont happen to them, but it will. Let me know how those gimmicks hold up then.</div></div>

3 deer. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
Last yrs buck was right through the shoulder. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
Anyways, thanks for the vote of confidence sensai.
I personally let people shoot what they want to shoot without badmouthing them too much. I find there are an awful lot of elitists in the sport of archery, I'd rather not be one.
What's the excuse for Pete's shoulder hit that didn't pan out? When I used to play alot of hockey I always got a kick out of guys who looked at their stick when they blew a shot..like it was the stick's fault. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I guess when the time comes when I fail miserably I'll likely pull the old smokepole out again because until now, I've never lost a deer regardless weapon and I hope I never do. </div></div>

Who's being an elitist, or badmouthing? Theres only one guy here I have read being suggestive and negative about someone personally...read your last post, you might see who. I dont care what anyone shoots. Just givig my .02 on a subject.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who's being an elitist, or badmouthing? Theres only one guy here I have read being suggestive and negative about someone personally </div></div>

I'm not suggesting anything about someone personally, people have bad shots, that's a fact. I was just inquiring b/c your post made it sound as though mechanicals will fail when to close to shoulder etc..where as fixed blade will not.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who was making exscuses, or were you just hoping? </div></div>
I'm not sure what you mean?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">only one guy here I have read being suggestive and negative about someone personally </div></div>

I know......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, after harvesting 2 deer I would not yet have an abundence of confidence in anything, wait till you hit a little to close to the shoulder, </div></div>
 
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