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I published this article in my weekly outdoor newspaper column. It sees roughly 75,000 households weekly, so hopefully it opens a few more eyes about Iowa's deer numbers.

Time To Take Action

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Very well written, and I couldn't agree more. Bottom line is, you are not going to change the mind of the stache. You said it best, there are a lot more famers than hunters. That means more votes, and more money. Great advice about contacting your local rep. Most of them do not even know what the issues are when it comes to hunting.
I would like to add that if you are not currently a member of the IBA, now is a great time to join. Whether you are a bowhunter or not, if you care about the state of the deer herd, then you should join and encourage others to do the same. They are our only voice, yet the membership is small. That to me is scary. Great thread Thomas.
 
Very well written article, Thomas. Thanks for standing up for all of us sportsman across the country!
 
I published this article in my weekly outdoor newspaper column. It sees roughly 75,000 households weekly, so hopefully it opens a few more eyes about Iowa's deer numbers.

Time To Take Action

Thomas, how many antlerless tags did you fill this season?


He can correct me if I'm wrong (and he probably will ;) ), but, he has filled a few antlerless tags this year (I'm not sure how many), however, I believe they were all depredation tags for the farmer. I would guess the farmer probably requested him to fill some doe tags in order to be able to hunt there at all. Some areas in his county still have very high doe concentrations. I personally saw some of the demolished corn from deer on the property he hunts while helping him with stands this summer and I can say there was a lot more damage there than I have ever seen in the areas I hunt in Muscatine County. That being said, in my area, I've put myself on a doe ban. :way:
 
I published this article in my weekly outdoor newspaper column. It sees roughly 75,000 households weekly, so hopefully it opens a few more eyes about Iowa's deer numbers.

Time To Take Action

Thomas, how many antlerless tags did you fill this season?

A lot more than most did, but there are a lot more deer in the areas he hunts than 90% of the state. This is a prime example of understanding how many deer are in your area and utilizing the tags available to appropriately manage the herd in your area.
 
I filled 7 and have two more to go this weekend, most were depredation tags two county doe tags. We won't have even put a dent in the population in my area. I am very selective in where I harvest does.

(assuming you actually read my article) you'll recall in a portion of I stated there is no blanket solution and there are still pockets of dense populations that will continue to require further management.

It just isn't a black and white issue, but I will fully support the abolishment of the November and Late Antlerless seasons. But, it will be an up hill battle.
 
I read your article and am glad to see you express the same thoughts that I have been writing on here for several years. Thank you for forwarding the message to others that don't read things here! I will take a couple of small exceptions with your statements, however. Many people use the catch phrase heavy or high density population hot spots. What denotes a high density hot-spot to you and where are these areas? I live and hunt in Davis county and hunt some in Van Buren county and this area has been said to have huge populations of deer, so heavy in fact that the IDNR deemed it acceptable, over the objections of local RESIDENTS, to allow high powered rifles to kill antler-less deer down here for the whole late season. I only hunted 3 days this year during the 2nd shotgun season and I only saw 5 deer during that time and shot 2 younger bucks because that is all that I had the opportunity to shoot. Four of us killed 5 deer this year of which 2 were does. I have chosen to not hunt any more for this season because I think we are way over the acceptable harvest for our current populations here. Even with all that there are still several thousand antlerless tags left unsold for these two counties even with the exceptional weather we have had, and that seems ridiculous for the IDNR or the State of Iowa to make that many available in the first place.

The second issue is your comparison of the deer populations to that of the pheasant population. I understand the point you want to make, but the problem of the shrinking deer population is ABSOLUTLEY ONE OF SIMPLY OVER HARVESTING DEER AND ESPECIALLY DOES. This can be very easily corrected by changing the attitudes and the amount of licenses and seasons available to hunters. The pheasant decline is not really with in our direct control because of all the other factors besides hunter harvest. The pheasants are not in decline because of over harvesting, so it becomes a very much more complicated issue and just closing or cutting back the season would have a negligible effect.

Other than those things, keep up the good work and beat the horse just a little longer and maybe some officials will take the hint!!
 
I think the solution is to decrease the number of doe tags issued and increase the number of NR tags to make up for it. ;)
 
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Yeah I read you covered your a$$. Then turned around and stated your PROFESSIONAL opinion that deer numbers are at the manageable number.

It is a great article I just hope most don't know that you continue to harvest 7-9 does. Hard to tell people to stop shooting does while you continue to. I don't care about your hot spot and most others won't either.


Stop killing deer but I'm gonna fill two more tags........:rolleyes:

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Did you read the article? If you did, you either #1) didn't comprehend it or #2) just want to cause drama. Here is direct quote from it; 'I want to make it perfectly clear that a blanket solution is not the answer. There are still hotspots of dense populations that need further harvest, but overall, Iowa’s deer herd is where it needs to be, if not too low already.'

Do you not understand the above statement in bold? I think most people on this website would agree with it (pretty much common sense). Is it not obvious to you that the deer population isn't uniform across the state, and that while the population is declining in many areas, it's also growing in others?

One of the areas that I hunt is very populated. It is a large amount of acres, with very limited hunting pressure. The deer population, if anything, has continued to climb there over the years. However, I can go one county north to other farms that I hunt and see a drastic decrease in the amount of whitetails that inhabit it. Am I a hypocrit because I choose to shoot does in one area, and not another, then share my concerns that the deer herds population in the state of Iowa is heading in the wrong direction? It's not hard for me to voice my concern about people shooting does in certain areas, and not others, as each area can be vastly different from one another which will lead to a different management approach from the individuals that hunt it. I have seen firsthand (and so have others on this website) the amount of deer that live on the property that Thomas has been shooting does, and trust me, he's not doing any damage there.

I'm wondering, what was the point of your response to Thomas' article? From what I read, you are only being a smarta$$.

Thomas, regardless of the negative feedback that you WILL receive from this article (from those who read it here and in the newspapers), I just want to say I appreciate that you took the time to 'get the word out,' instead of sitting back and not doing a damn thing. Forget about the haters, and keep up the good work :way:
 
One more thing Cooter. Did it ever cross your mind as to how many acres of property Thomas was hunting when he filled his tags? Is killing 7 does on 3,000 acres of prime whitetail habitat the wrong thing to do? Just wondering if you have any background information as to the properties that Thomas hunts that led you to make such bold statements? :confused:
 
I agree to the fact that there are areas where the numbers are very high. A friend of mine bought a farm in Madison County (to farm) he is a hunter also. They said it was nothing to se 50 to 60 deer a night.

The area in Davis County where I hunt, I think the numbers have been down but I saw good numbers this year. I think part of the reason is the ground around me got little pressure last year. I let my son take a nice doe this year but I decided only to take a mature buck myself, I did not get the shot I wanted so I will eat the tags and put out mineral to help keep the herd healthy.
I did not even buy late season tags, so my High Power will stay clean this year.
 
Good article tommy boy. I completely agree with what you are doing and saying in the article, as does everyone that is passionate about deer hunting.

The mass majority of hunters in the state of Iowa, are not passionate hunters that spend a better part of the year out scouting, planting plots, ect. ect. they are the buy a tag, kill a deer, repeat hunters.

I hope that maybe a few of them actually look into what you said, if you could change a few minds, and then they change a few minds, and so on and so on, then maybe there is hope. But for right now, there are WAY to many people that believe that there are still WAY too many deer, and as long as there are tags, they are going to be trying to fill them.
 
But for right now, there are WAY to many people that believe that there are still WAY too many deer, and as long as there are tags, they are going to be trying to fill them.

As much as I wish I could disagree with this, you are 100% correct :(
 
Great article THA4, its good to see so many others with the same opinions on the depleting deer herd.Now if we can get the stache to stop being the states biologist and let the people that get paid to be the states biologist do their job we could maybe start going in the right direction.I also miss the days of pheasant hunting, three years now of not going out and don't see going in the near future.I can't imagine a day when I would have to choose sitting out a deer season.
 
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