Nontypcl1
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Neighbors making up those landowners include: Dave/Jeff Lindsey, Mark Drury, Jay Gregory, and I have heard the name Paul Thornton (at least that is the name I have heard from some locals). Paul is on several of Jay's videos/shows and is referred to as a neighbor of Jay's. Those landowners make up around 6000-8000 acres. All I believe claim to residents but not sure about PT. Kind of unusual that the spouses and kids of several of these "residents" live in other States as already mentioned in other threads on IW. So in "my" opinion several of these guys are playing the game with the residency issue at best and maybe Jay can see what is coming with regards to some of these "residents" being brought to court to prove they are truely a resident of Iowa. Maybe he doesn't feel like having a felony conviction and loosing his right to own guns and vote. Maybe he doesn't think it would be worth loosing his sponsors, his show, and his way of life over a couple deer. Maybe Jay is selling out because he knows he can't prove Iowa residency. So how much were we betting Jdubs?
Hardwood11
It is going to be a good fall!
NR vs. R
Which one is worse guys?
A) Increasing tags for NR and them coming in and hunting public ground, possibly buying a farm, or getting permission to hunt on private ground
B) NR moving to Iowa to obtain the Resident tags (3) then buying up farms around them, and suddenly having 2000 to 3000 acres. This scenario has happened and will continue to happen.
Any real difference?
Which one is worse guys?
A) Increasing tags for NR and them coming in and hunting public ground, possibly buying a farm, or getting permission to hunt on private ground
B) NR moving to Iowa to obtain the Resident tags (3) then buying up farms around them, and suddenly having 2000 to 3000 acres. This scenario has happened and will continue to happen.
Any real difference?
Liv4Rut
Active Member
A and B are both worse than where we currently are. Give in an inch, they will take a mile. B could happen at anytime though but 90% of the time those guys still live outside of Iowa. At the rate the deer herd is going, it won't be long and people will move on to the next best thing.....
A by far. A will lead to outfitters leasing up all of Southern Iowa just like West Central Illinois not to mention increased buying of land by NR due to the increased chance of drawing a tag. I have absolutely no problem with a NR moving to Iowa and buying all the land they want as long as they actually live in Iowa.
sep0667
Land of the Whitetail
A, hands down. Doing this will bring way more NR's to Iowa each fall, meaning more land being bought and leased by NR's with a lot of $$$.
I don't think B is all that common, yes it does happen but is not a big of a deal as A. Not to many people are going to move their entire life and family so they can shoot a deer, and spend around 10 million dollars on that much land(2500 acres X 4000 an acre). If they have that kind of money and are willing to do that much work and effort for all that and move here, why not just buy that much land where they live, with that much you can turn any area with deer into a sanctuary.
It's television shows and magazines with the Kisky, Drurys, and all these people that are causing the problem. People see the big bucks they shoot in Iowa on their 1000's of acres and think its easy. People don't realize that most of the big deer they see, no matter where shot, are from huge chunks of land with no pressure or from outfitters that charge an arm and a leg.
kbnelson3
Supporter of Landowners
Drury's crew is the absolute worst offender and none of you will ever call them out. Sure, Eric Bothun moved to NE Iowa finally so the governor would have to stop giving him tags, but he's hunting Forest Ryan's old farm that got bought up by big $$ NRs. all these big money guys like Lakosky's(Minnesota natives) and Drury's(Missouri natives) and Lindsey's(Georgia) are buying up the ground and "promoting" iowa. Quit blaming all of the average NR's. Hell, blame yourselves for letting them have all the GOVERNORS TAGS!!
fatboy
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The Drury's have been called out on here before. And all our so-called resident celebs all moved here from out of state as posterd be kb. They play the game by being self-employed, maybe pay some taxes on some production work they do here in Iowa? I have a couple small farms I hunt every year that don't look like much, but will always produce if I feel I need to kill a buck every year. With a couple of kids, at this time I cannot puchase my own ground unless the lotto comes thru for me. I was one of those guy's in the mid-80's that could have bought "junk" ground in Decatur, Ringgold, or Clarke county for nothing. But at that time I also did not have to compete with NR's to deer hunt becuse they could not hunt here. At that time trying to find Pheasant ground that was not leased up by NR's was the problem, but then I could always hit the public ground late in the year after the fair weather stayed home to watch football. With a good dog and willing to do a little walking could get my limit. Jdubbs or any NR that wants to change our laws,why don't you move here and become a resident? Cost of living is not bad, and we have some pretty good schools also if you have kids. I don't the to change the rules for myself when I head to New Mexico to elk hunt or other state I may go to.
Nontypcl1
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Drury's crew has been called out on here numerous times. Also, there are many people that don't agree with the way the governor's tags are handled right now. Don't know if you saw a recent poll about it here? It was pretty obvious that vast majority does not support the current handling of Governor's tags.
cedar creek
Banned
I guess you could call me an "old dog". And you're 100% wrong in thinking i ever believed so called "rec ground" was worthless or would never excede $800 an acre. I've been in the hunting game my whole life. When i was in my teens growing up on the farm deer hunting was a passion, but very few people pursued it. My grandfather would constantly tell me this deer hunting is catching on, and soon you won't be able to get permission to hunt on half of these farms. In my twenties and thirties my father kept telling me i would see the day when you won't be able to deer hunt as passionately as we like unless you own your own land. I now own my own land; so i could sit back and say f@@k everybody else. But i don't see it that way. If you "Jdubs" and the rest of the nr landowners who think the laws should be changed for your advantage ever get your way; we will see the deer hunting we enjoy today slip back 30 years or more in a heart beat. I guess the advantage to many of us residents then will be you will be able to purchase that worthless ground for $800 an acre or less!
2 yaers ago in southern iowa, land was 2500, 2700 3000 acre , u could nt find it, the farmers that were gonna sell sold and those that didnt , well they held on to their land, u cant just create sellers, many of the local farmers are just not motivated by the mighty diollar , that will never change. maybe just maybe when the 90 yr old farmer dies and the son or daughter sells it, that will happen regardless. what bothers me most as resident is that way everyone blames the nr landowner for the reason they dont own land, i got news for you, unless they are giving it away , i am never ownong land and i am guessing most people that bytch about it cant either. the days of running 20 guys through 10 farms on day 1 of the gun season are over. land has changed hands, lawsuits , legal issues, whatever, if you want to buy land, u can find it , cheap, good land in a good neighborhood , 1200 acre, whatever. if you cant afford land, and i cant, and never could, then shut up already and do something about it . every year all we read , nr nr nr nr nr landownerdid thsi to me,
they arer the reason i cant afford land, they are the reason my neighbor died and sold his farm from some guy from jersey - lets look for ways to get more state ground and to do that we need money and i say we take it from the nr 's
they arer the reason i cant afford land, they are the reason my neighbor died and sold his farm from some guy from jersey - lets look for ways to get more state ground and to do that we need money and i say we take it from the nr 's
scottonbuck
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Regardless how much money the state gets from the NR they are not going to purchase more public ground. In fact the state is denying the DNR any request on land purchases from here on out. Some legislature want to sell of public ground to raise revenue. So the arguement of take the NR money and buy state ground accomplishes about as much as pissing in the wind.
cedar creek
Banned
Please! You sure can tell you can't afford to buy land; so what makes you think your facts on land prices are correct. I don't see many posters blameing the nr for not owning land. The arguement is if we open our state up to the nr; we won't be able to buy land. And we have very few public hunting acres as you said. If you are one of the hundred's if not thousands of people who must obtain permission to hunt; you should be concerned also. But i'm guessing you're a relative or friend who still has an in to hunting ground someplace. Many don't think about it till they no longer have permission to hunt that special place. I'm guessing many don't worry about it either. You should. The day will come sooner than you think!
cedar creek
Banned
I know you weren't addressing me. I just want to let you know your thought process isn't shared by many people within the state of Iowa. And you are just as guilty of lumping alot of residents in one catagory; as you charge many residents of Iowa. Be happy you have your little piece of heaven in Iowa, and quit trying to persuade people into thinking your ideas of nr landownership should be adopted by all. It will never happen.
Hey Cedar, I have been coming to Iowa for a long time and have gotten to know many Iowa residents well; those people include folks from all walks of life. They are astounded where rec prices have gone. I'm not persuading anyone, my comments are based on my experience in Iowa. Time will tell where the regs and laws are heading, only your legislators can answer that question for you.
Lastly, your tone is continually more adversarial. Cut back on the coffee, or go to decaf. Don't know your age but I can guess based on your grumpiness. I can still feel the love. :way:
Lastly, your tone is continually more adversarial. Cut back on the coffee, or go to decaf. Don't know your age but I can guess based on your grumpiness. I can still feel the love. :way:
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