In my opinion the biggest problem with the 3 tag system are the professional hunting people. I hunt in a neighborhood with a few very famous hunters that are landowners and know for a fact that they need to fill up their spots on the Outdoor Channel and use the 3 tag system every year. Dad shoots 2 bucks, Mom shoots 3 bucks, Son shoots 2 bucks, then envite their friends from out of state, get the media tags and boom, at least 2 more bucks go down. All of a sudden you are looking at 9 dead bucks at a minimum in one area. Lots of bucks get shot just to fill a tv spot. By the way, I am a land owner and have access to the 3rd tag system too but would never think about harvesting 3 mature bucks in a year.
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JNRBRONC
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That someone for some reason can get more tags.
I really don't think the availability of a 3rd tag to landowners is even a drop in the bucket of the perceived "problem" (fewer deer and God forbid fewer trophy bucks, oh the horror
). What happens on private ground that most don't have access to is pretty much irrelevant.I'd like to see stats on how many landowners kill three bucks a year. Just because they can doesn't mean they do.
I like to hunt. Having a tag in my pocket allows me to do that, whether or not I choose to fill it. Being eligible for a third tag extends my enjoyment of the outdoors.
GOARMY
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Ryan.
I do remember kisky saying he killed 3 bucks a few years ago. Yeah then bring in cooter and his friend and take a few more and after a while time to get another place to hunt.
How many big ones can be taken from an area and still expect it to be great? I guess filming a TV show puts pressure on people to produce kills.
I do remember kisky saying he killed 3 bucks a few years ago. Yeah then bring in cooter and his friend and take a few more and after a while time to get another place to hunt.
How many big ones can be taken from an area and still expect it to be great? I guess filming a TV show puts pressure on people to produce kills.
JUNIOR
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My family used to have 365 acres right down the street from kisky's farm! Uncle shot 2 great bucks down there, one year and one the next year! 160s and the other 140s, also there was a huge poacher with in a mile from kiskys that got caught a few years back, had a ridiculous amount of bucks in a shed. It is awesome hunting down there and there some huge bucks and there plenty of them around there. The farm was sold when i was 9, i wish i could have hunted it because it was killer!!!
bkcrrtnps
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That someone for some reason can get more tags. I really don't think the availability of a 3rd tag to landowners is even a drop in the bucket of the perceived "problem" (fewer deer and God forbid fewer trophy bucks, oh the horror
Jealous, not hardly! I get 3 tags every year and have access to the best ground in the state. It would cause people to think before shooting and increase the quality of bucks. Yes party hunting should have been done away with years ago! Decrease resident buck tags to 1 and allow NRLO a buck tag, no party hunting and limit antler less tags
JNRBRONC
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You assume people aren't thinking about what they shoot. Big assumption.
Another assumption is that "quality of bucks" is the driving factor behind everything for everyone and should be the basis of management. Flawed again.
Baby-G
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From a management stand point it's best to harvest bucks and doe evenly . If you keep harvesting 2 to 3 bucks per resident and none or one doe's your buck hunting will go down hill fast. You pull the rains back on both and it will make your hunting better.... It's not rocket science.... I know I shouldn't assume every wants more mature bucks to hunt and to have better hunting in the future..... But this is Iowawhitetail.com..... Where people frequent that want to learn or do kill big deer.... I don't think this is really a meat hunters site?
JNRBRONC
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Very true about this website but I find it troubling that one segment of the hunting population is trying to force their "philosophy" on another. Bickering among hunters is rampant and, IMO, wasted energy for the most part. Bigger battles to be won than dividing an already small segment of the populous. This trend seems to besiege society as a whole, everybody trying to control what others are doing. Control what you can, which is how you hunt.
risto2351
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Hoosier
I guess I don't understand. Why would you shot any deer you wouldn't consider a trophy. I have only shot three deer in a season once and each one was a trophy to me. This year I ate all three of my tags and shot a few does instead. I could of shot three bucks easily with a tag burning a hole in my pocket.
retiredmurph
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I could not agree more. Everyone seems to be complaining about buck tags. It's the slaughter of does that is lowering our numbers. And I might add I DO NOT have sole access to the hunting on my property. Every year I have youth hunters come down and hunt as well as allowing disabled vets to hunt. I understand people wanting to shoot a huge buck, but if that is all deer hunting is to you, I think you are missing out. I enjoy having the young hunters come down and get their first deer. It doesn't matter to them if it's a doe or a buck the excitement is there. If they want to shot a 120 buck that's fine with me. It's more important to see them have a positive hunt and a good time .
If you're unhappy with hunting public ground then do what it takes to buy your own. I know its not easy, but four years ago I gave up buying a new pickup so I could purchase an additional 40 acres and I still don't have that new pickup.
It seems to me the last thing we need is bickering among hunters.
risto2351
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Excellent point !!
hoosierhunter
Active Member
I was after two specific deer this year. The past two seasons I shot bully mature deer and couldn't burn my tag a third year in a row before December hit. My latest encounter was Nov 23rd this year with one of them.
Any time you kill a mature deer it's a trophy, but i was looking for one of my nicer mature deer. Splittler went 168 and B3 went 153. All these other deer were not over 135. My buddy shot splitter11/24 and I found B3 dead 11/15.
Nope. Residents get 2 buck tags and NRLOs 1 buck tag every three years. The rest I'll agree to.
JUNIOR
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Nope. Residents get 2 buck tags and NRLOs 1 buck tag every three years. The rest I'll agree to.
Whats the problem with party huntin? The fact that you can use others tags,push deer or both??
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hoosierhunter
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The tradition side is fun like deer camp but it makes buck management very difficult because people have to make split decisions. Pretty darn tough to identify and age a running deer at 100 yards.....
I think most guys dislike both, but they consider sharing tags by far the worse of the two.
Army,
Not gonna drop any names but gets worse when one family member has few parcels in their name and other member has some in their name just so they can get 3 tags each. That is where I disagree with the current RLO tag system. If I had a vote it would be for 2 any sex tags per RLO and no media/celebrity tags.
Junior,
The poaching was done by the Mason family. Believe one member went to prison. Also stole all kinds of stands and such. Still hear rifle shots at dusk all year long. Weird. Wonder what that might be. Where are all the CO's when you need them?
Not gonna drop any names but gets worse when one family member has few parcels in their name and other member has some in their name just so they can get 3 tags each. That is where I disagree with the current RLO tag system. If I had a vote it would be for 2 any sex tags per RLO and no media/celebrity tags.
Junior,
The poaching was done by the Mason family. Believe one member went to prison. Also stole all kinds of stands and such. Still hear rifle shots at dusk all year long. Weird. Wonder what that might be. Where are all the CO's when you need them?
JUNIOR
Active Member
Yes i agree, i guess i can put myself in those boots, this year i had some deer run infront of me at about 125 yards, saw a big buck, new it was a big buck so i shot, dropping him. My deer was probably 6-7 years old.
My uncle shot a nice buck this year too, my brother and i pushed it right to him, he saw it comin from about 100 yards out, so he had the time to decider to shoot or not, deer stopped at 30 and he dropped him. Lookin at it, yes the deer could have had another year or 2 ,but by lookin at the rack 130's 8 point as it came into him, he thought it was a trophy and so he shot. i also would of called it a great trophy if it was mine. Also we have a party of about 5-6 and really try to go for nice bucks only, we don't fill a tag every year, Average 7-8 tags as a party and usually only 1 or 2 are filled. Its not that we aren't seeing deer, its that we are bein somethat selective on what we shoot.
Wow. That's exactly right. Hoosier, it's nice to see that you've learned something here on IW.
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