Roundup Ready Corn & Soybean Food Plot

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

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As long as it was on the ground 2-4 hours before the rain, you'll be fine (2 hours dry soil, 4 hours moist soil).

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It was more like 36 hours on dry soil so I should be ok on that...good info to know in the future though!

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

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It's not a "cure all" but hopefully will help me with foxtail control and I'll nuke it a couple times with RUP as needed.

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It does great for foxtail, I think you will like it. </div></div>

So far I'm very pleased! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

Clean as a whistle so far and you can see the double rows of RR corn and soybeans /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

We had plenty of sub-surface moisture but this rain will sure help things along!

Little hard to keep the soys as close to the corn as I wanted but not to shabby.

It doesn't matter at all except when spraying RUP later. Hard to fit tractor and sprayer tires between rows sometimes.

The only weeds I see germinating at this point appear to be velvetleaf so I'll monitor it and spray RUP when needed.

At this point the only wildlife damage appears to be from turkeys nipping the newly sprouted beans.

This rain should get them all up and growing...just in time for the deer to take over... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

[nannyslayer]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

Looks better than most field corn around here. Look great. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

The object of some of my long running threads is to provide as much complete info as possible that will always be available and hopefully answer questions on the subject for years to come.

On the subject of herbicide in RR corn and beasns...it is true that in many cases...escpecially beans that two applications of Roundup at 1 to 1/2 quarts per acre will take care of most weed problems.

In a continous corn/bean roatation or combination such as mine...with out residual or other types of herbicides one may eventually run in all types of problems.

Rotating crops certainly helps...no-till planting on sod has far less weed problems (just things to consider)

Looking back thru this thread you can see that with conventional corn, using atrazine based residual herbicide my corn was fairly free of weed problems:

However when I switched to a Roundup only program my field quickly went from this:

to this:

Of course had I watched it more closely it shouldn't have gotten that carried away but the fact is I still sprayed it 3 times and when I finally disced it down it was already 2 feet high!

This year using Dual Magnum which is a residual safe for both corn and soybeans (at a cost of approx. $22.50 and acre) my corn and beans looked like this on Friday may 19th:

My field is clean with not even a hint of foxtail at this point.

What you see in this pic is a few remmenants of the rye I disced down and a little velevtleaf which will be easily dealt with when I spray RUP...hopefully at a point when it's closer to some canopy.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that soybean planting depth is better on the shallower side at approx 3/4" and corn approx 1 1/2" deep.

I planted all of mine at 1 1/2 and we had several pounding rains that crusted the soil.

The beans are breaking thru but as mentioned in another thread they do indeed break their necks trying to bust thru the crust.

Plant a little shallower if possible.

I'm having some light deer/turkey damage around the exterior of the field but so far it hasn't been to serious:

They have plenty of oats, peas, clover and alflafa surrounding my field...still no assurance that they won't eventually wipe it out.

If we get plenty of moisture along with my high nitrogen rate, hopefully it will out grow thier nightly "raids" /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

 

[huntdoc]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

How is the damage these days? Wondered if they had started pounding your field yet, or if the corn could get up enough to stay ahead of them.

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is the damage these days? Wondered if they had started pounding your field yet, or if the corn could get up enough to stay ahead of them. </div></div>

I don't have much time these days but I've been wanting to post these pics. They are from early June but you can see that the Dual Magnum 2 worked on it's own and the high levels of nitrogen along with timely rains got the corn up and beyond the the "deer damage" stage.

The soys we're taking a beating

No need for roundup...field stayed pretty clean uing the Dual.

Might be quite a while before I get to check it again but I think that using Dual Magnum and Roundup as a back up is a way to make the corn/soybean combo work.

 

[huntdoc]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

Thanks for stopping by DB. Take care, and field looks great! Hope all are doing well.

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

Big difference in my RR corn/bean plot this year! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

Lot's of nitrogen, Dual Magnum herbicide and timely rain made it work.

Still lot's of deer damage...they have really worked it over and have kept the soys from amounting to much but plenty of ears have made it and the plot should be an excellent draw this fall.

The pics will show damage but also very few weeds:

Plenty of ears:

They sure hammered some areas where they first hit the field /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

Can't blame it on the coons either /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Only weeds in the field are shown...I'm not a "weed expert" (Bonker...where are you... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif )but I think that's velvetleaf?

The soys have been hammered hard since they sprouted:

If one doesn't have the high deer numbers that I do then I think you'll find that the RR corn/soybean combo will work to provide maximum forage on limited acres. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif

In the end I never used a drop of Roundup so by using Dual Magnum it's possible to plant conventional corn and beans together.

I like the RR option in case the residual herbicide fails but conventional seed is more readily available...often for free if using year old seed.

My main costs we're $100 acre for urea (46% nitrogen) and approx. $27 per acre for the Dual Magnum. (I split 2 1/2 gallons with a friend)

Seed corn came Pheasants Forever and the RR soybean seed was left over seed that cost me $15 bucks a bag maybe?

Plant it...they will come! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

I think it's time for me to throw in the towel as far as growing corn foodplots in my area...just too many deer

Corn did great!

The Dual Magnum 2 did the job and the corn and beans were nice and clean:

but they have already stripped the entire of field...

Nuthin but empty cobs on the ground...

and empty husks on the stalks

no doubt about the culprits with the ground covered with deer "sign"

The soys did ok with the Eagle Soys holding their own the best but the pressure is just to great...

They just keep them mowed...

Very few we're allowed to develop pods

but a few did

RR corn and soys will work, no doubt about that although I liked the Dual Magnum 2 much better with RUP for a backup.

In my case deer densities are just so extremely high that corn and soybeans are just not an option. Small grains and brassicas are much cheaper and better able to withstand the heavy grazing.

If anyone had any questions or pics of their own regarding either corn or soybeans...please share and add to this thread.

 

[nannyslayer]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

Paul, I didn't go back and look, but what number of corn did you put in? Maybe if you went with a longer day corn like a 117-118 day corn, that may delay the little critters long enough until bow season. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Still, the plot looked good and I told you that you would like how the Dual would control the Foxtail.

 

[Soybean Man]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

Dbtree, do you think my RR viny types would help? We bred the wild viny type to our RR forage type and have a very aggressive RR viny type that looks great in our plots in combination with our RR forage soybean and corn. I have some pictures of the soybean climbing the corn over 6.5 feet tall. The biggest problem I see with the corn/soybean mix is competition for sunlight early on. This is the reason for a short day corn and long season soybean. The corn will do its thing early on and the soybeans stay vegetative and continue to stay green and growing. Looks like you have achieved your goal of providing a summer plot that kept the deer eating on your property instead of just a pretty, unused green plot.

 

[huntdoc]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

DB how big was that field? That is amazing..... It is a wonder anyone could farm around there.

 

[TimberPig]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

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Wow, cant believe they ate that much already! How close is the nearest ag field? What are you going to do now, disk it under and plant rye?

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

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Wow, cant believe they ate that much already! How close is the nearest ag field? What are you going to do now, disk it under and plant rye? </div></div>

6 acres /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Actually they ate many of the ears while they were green (and it wasn't coons...they rip the stalk down, these ears were "bitten" or pulled off)

That tells me that ealier or later corn would make no difference in my situation.

I could see the "viney" soys being an advantage for anyone with a "lessor" deer population so I would consider that.

There were some spots that had some foxtail and the beans there were much taller so I don't feel that the corn inhibited the soybean growth...deer alone were responsible for that /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

I planted rye in plots next to the corn for this fall as they do love the cover that corn provides.

Thoughts on Forage Soybeans

Calibrating Drills for Soybean Production

Maybe I should sell that 80..."For Sale...80 acres with TOO MANY DEER" /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

[huntdoc]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

I wondered if you would leave the stalks up for cover. It may still serve a purpose when the bullets fly.

 

[JNRBRONC]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

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With that many deer around, I think I'd be shooing them to the neighbors when the bullets start to fly! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

[dbltree]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

If anyone is planting corn or RR corn and soys together...please let us know how it does but I just can't go the high cost of putting corn in anymore. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

I disked down the last cornstalks my place probally will see for sometime...

Nice tire huh... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I disked it twice...

and then decided to try something new just for the heck of it...

RR soybeans and forage oats! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

I got to thinking that maybe the oats will keep the deer happy (and confused) while the beans are small and then I can kill the oats/weeds with Roundup later...hey, you never know until you try!

Trying a bushier type soybean from nannyslayer that will draw deer from miles around...ohhh...that's right, they already come here from miles around... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Note the information on the bag like "seeds per pound" to determine seeding rates. I tried for 200,000 seeds per acre because it gets pounded so hard.

I used soybean inoculate fro Welters...

just a dab of water with it and it will stick to the seed.

Reading back thru this thread will give you plenty of other planting information about both soybeans and corn and planting the two together.

I love corn but with nitrogen doubling in price every year, it's out of the question. Soybeans are a legume and are still a great draw if one can plant them where deer won't kill them in the early stages.

We'll see what happens... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

[Field Service]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

I put in a couple RR C/B combo acres this past Sat. On three of the four plots I mowed stocks, brocasted N and seed and tilled. On the 4th plot I skipped the mowing and tilled standing stocks (it's a long story). /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif Then brocasted N / seed, and retilled. Unfortunately several hours later close to 3" of rain hammered my "gopher mound" like plots! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

I'm sure some/most of the seed and N is down stream at the neighbors and what is still left at my place will be under a terrible crust. Probably 2 acres of the finest looking mud pies one has ever seen.

I'll post in a week if anything comes up. Haven't had the heart to go check them out yet...

I'm just really really glad my farming skills/luck do not support my check book. I work to support my farming habit.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

[Skully]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Field Service</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just really really glad my farming skills/luck do not support my check book. I work to support my farming habit.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
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Ain't that the truth! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif It would have been cool to farm back when you could make money doing it. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

[Fishbonker]

Re: Corn and beans/ RR forage soybeans

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skully</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Field Service</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just really really glad my farming skills/luck do not support my check book. I work to support my farming habit.... /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
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Ain't that the truth! /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif It would have been cool to farm back when you could make money doing it. /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>

And when exactly was that? /forum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

On a related question, when is it to late to plant soys for a food plot?

The 'Bonker