letemgrow
PMA Member
Too funny on the dropped shed!
Sure was, I just had to smile when I saw it laying on that oak seedling. My thought was,"That was the least he could do after browsing my oak!!"
That pic as an ATL.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Thanks Phil! We're hoping ours will be here in a week or so! :way:
Many of our oak seedlings endured some heavy browsing this past winter although they see to spring right back to life with plenty of new growth.
They will be years behind in growth at that rate however so we're giving the Rigid Protectors a try using a fiberlglass electric fence post for a stake.
I had some bamboo left over from a tree shipment so we'll see how long they last as well
We found that it was more for shipping then the bamboo costs bringing the total 2/3rd's of the cost of the fiberglass posts which are virtually unbreakable and have a 10 warranty. Stakes are something each landowner would need to decide for themselves what is cost effective long term for them.
Rigid Seedling Protector Tubes
The tree protectors are less expensive then tubes and of course not going to enhance growth like a tube but worth considering in situations where browsing is a problem...
Many of our oak seedlings endured some heavy browsing this past winter although they see to spring right back to life with plenty of new growth.
They will be years behind in growth at that rate however so we're giving the Rigid Protectors a try using a fiberlglass electric fence post for a stake.
I had some bamboo left over from a tree shipment so we'll see how long they last as well
We found that it was more for shipping then the bamboo costs bringing the total 2/3rd's of the cost of the fiberglass posts which are virtually unbreakable and have a 10 warranty. Stakes are something each landowner would need to decide for themselves what is cost effective long term for them.
Rigid Seedling Protector Tubes
The tree protectors are less expensive then tubes and of course not going to enhance growth like a tube but worth considering in situations where browsing is a problem...
letemgrow
PMA Member
Phil do you have a link to your bamboo source? Curious what shipping is from that source?
I think bamboo is a great option if I can get it shipped reasonably...
Last one I ordered from was 80 bucks total for 240 stakes of 4 or 5 foot tall stakes. This ones seems super cheap depending on shipping. :way:
http://www.gwestern.com/shop/category.aspx?catid=28&page=2&sortby=
Joey Rott
New Member
A couple weeks ago I ordered Tubex Tubes(came with zip ties) and Bamboo poles from Rays Supply Company. Cost was 5 tubes for $5 for the tubes, and and the bamboo was 30 cents each for the larger 5ft by 1/2". Shipping for the 14 poles and 15 tubes was $14.18
So all in all about $2.25 per tree total. No doubt the cost would go down though if I had ordered more.
So all in all about $2.25 per tree total. No doubt the cost would go down though if I had ordered more.
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dbltree
Super Moderator
John from Big Rock Trees asked me to test atrazine on some of his cuttings so I did just that yesterday.
I planted dogwoods, arrowwood, elderberry and others and treated them with various dosages of atrazine mixed in my sprayer to put on 4 quarts per acre. I sprayed most of them normally at approximately that rate but soaked some down at 2-3 times that and sprayed others very lightly.
I sprayed the area good with roundup first then planted the cuttings going over the top of most of them and around others to see if it makes any difference.
I checked on the other cuttings I planted a while back and some are starting to sprout!
I sprayed these with Simazine (Princep) and Surflan which are pretty safe on tree seedlings
I'll keep and eye on growth of the cuttings with and without atrazine and report back...
I planted dogwoods, arrowwood, elderberry and others and treated them with various dosages of atrazine mixed in my sprayer to put on 4 quarts per acre. I sprayed most of them normally at approximately that rate but soaked some down at 2-3 times that and sprayed others very lightly.
I sprayed the area good with roundup first then planted the cuttings going over the top of most of them and around others to see if it makes any difference.
I checked on the other cuttings I planted a while back and some are starting to sprout!
I sprayed these with Simazine (Princep) and Surflan which are pretty safe on tree seedlings
I'll keep and eye on growth of the cuttings with and without atrazine and report back...
dbltree
Super Moderator
Just a reminder when planting shrubs that they can be used to funnel deer and can be used in conjunction with NWSG or screening cover such as this Egyptian Wheat or sorghum and corn.
In this case I am preparing to plant the lane between the shrubs and EW to clover to further encourage deer to follow this route that leads thru cover to more food sources and of course by my tree stand.
The shrubs not only provide screening but all of mine are also full of beds and scrapes abound as bucks travel the edge.....
In this case I am preparing to plant the lane between the shrubs and EW to clover to further encourage deer to follow this route that leads thru cover to more food sources and of course by my tree stand.
The shrubs not only provide screening but all of mine are also full of beds and scrapes abound as bucks travel the edge.....
dbltree
Super Moderator
Phil have you checked on your Concordia oaks that you transplanted last fall? Curious how those are doing this spring and how growth will compare to other oaks?
Concordia Oaks
I noticed that other day that many of my fall planted DCO's were sprouting in the tubes! :way:
Concordia Oaks
I noticed that other day that many of my fall planted DCO's were sprouting in the tubes! :way:
letemgrow
PMA Member
So far, nothing out of the ordinary comparing Concordia with everything else. My northern reds have put on 10 inches of growth already, but they were planted a couple years ago and the deer kept them in check so that is not suprising. They were the superior one year old seedlings from the MDC. They have brand new fence around them so I would expect a few feet of growth by the end.
The concordia oaks were planted out on my farm last fall so I suspect them to be ahead of any concordia oaks I gave out that were planted this spring.
Some comparisions
White Oak:
Concordia oak:
Dwarf Chinkapin:
The concordia oaks were planted out on my farm last fall so I suspect them to be ahead of any concordia oaks I gave out that were planted this spring.
Some comparisions
White Oak:
Concordia oak:
Dwarf Chinkapin:
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letemgrow
PMA Member
Chinkapinxdwarf chinkapinxswamp white is the parentage of the Concordia Oak. One Concordia seems to be more dwarf chinkapin, especially compared to the other Concordia oaks. I am watching that one closely, but the buds were just starting to swell on that seedling when I took these pics.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Our Protex Tree Tubes arrived from Forestry suppliers so I got started assembling and installing them. I soon found out that assembling these things is better done on a rainy day ahead of time then in the field simply because it is a little time consuming.
My friend letemgrow suggested drilling more vent holes in them first so I laid stacks over a board and drilled 3/8 holes thru them and then started assembly.
I found it eaiser to go thru and pop open all the tabs first because a few required the use of a knife
Just roll them and start slipping the tabs into the openings but again I found this easier setting in a chair with the tube between my knees then out in the field with the wind blowing the tube around.
Mice can be a problem in tree tubes so herbicide is important to keep grass away and mine are all pretty clean having been sprayed with a gly/oust/simazine combo. I just used my boot to level soil and clear any debris before setting the tube.
The tube then sets tightly against the soil surface decreasing the chances that rodents will slip in and set up shop.
We are using 48" fiberglass posts that are 50% more then bamboo + shipping but will last a lifetime and less likely to be destroyed by marauding bucks in the fall.
The tubes already have a double rows of holes all the way down one side for tying to posts so they do have some venilation beside added holes I drilled so hopefully we won't encounter problems with hardening off this fall.
I'll update pics of growth compared to non-tubed trees as we go thru the summer
The Protex tubes are very reasonably priced, long lasting and in comparative tests growth was on par with tubes 2-3 times the cost.
Protex® Pro/Gro Solid Tube Tree Protectors
We applied for and recieved a 50% cost share grant from the National Wild Turkey Federation (maximum of $600 - 1200 total) to defray the costs of both establishing hardwood tree plantings and to establish clover plots.
© 2010 National Wild Turkey Federation
We also recieved 200 free oak trees from NWTF so it pays not only to be a member but to be involved and in contact with your area NWTF biologists to know what is available and when applications must be in....
My friend letemgrow suggested drilling more vent holes in them first so I laid stacks over a board and drilled 3/8 holes thru them and then started assembly.
I found it eaiser to go thru and pop open all the tabs first because a few required the use of a knife
Just roll them and start slipping the tabs into the openings but again I found this easier setting in a chair with the tube between my knees then out in the field with the wind blowing the tube around.
Mice can be a problem in tree tubes so herbicide is important to keep grass away and mine are all pretty clean having been sprayed with a gly/oust/simazine combo. I just used my boot to level soil and clear any debris before setting the tube.
The tube then sets tightly against the soil surface decreasing the chances that rodents will slip in and set up shop.
We are using 48" fiberglass posts that are 50% more then bamboo + shipping but will last a lifetime and less likely to be destroyed by marauding bucks in the fall.
The tubes already have a double rows of holes all the way down one side for tying to posts so they do have some venilation beside added holes I drilled so hopefully we won't encounter problems with hardening off this fall.
I'll update pics of growth compared to non-tubed trees as we go thru the summer
The Protex tubes are very reasonably priced, long lasting and in comparative tests growth was on par with tubes 2-3 times the cost.
Protex® Pro/Gro Solid Tube Tree Protectors
We applied for and recieved a 50% cost share grant from the National Wild Turkey Federation (maximum of $600 - 1200 total) to defray the costs of both establishing hardwood tree plantings and to establish clover plots.
© 2010 National Wild Turkey Federation
We also recieved 200 free oak trees from NWTF so it pays not only to be a member but to be involved and in contact with your area NWTF biologists to know what is available and when applications must be in....