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Fishbonker

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If they can't beat us in the legislature they will try to beat us by attempting to influence our non elected officials:

Subject: Friends of Iowa / DNR support Bills Sf #219 & HF # 327

The DNR has had a divided house on NR reform for the past several years. The DNR Administration has acknowledged that NRLO’s are a growing stakeholder group within the state whose voice should be heard and they have attempted to increase NR tags to tap into the large resource that has been unavailable to them. At the same time the DNR’s “field general’s” and law enforcement have been opposed to these changes.

It has been well documented that the DNR annually brushes off the table over $2million dollars in lost revenues due to the outdated quota restriction that the legislature dictates. Due to the budget imposed restrictions last year(2010) the DNR was forced to reduce or place on hold nearly 35 FT positions that reduced services and programs across the state.

With the new leadership in the DNR we feel it very important that you request the new DNR Director Roger Lande to support Bills SF #219 & F #327. Both of these bills will provide much needed revenue for the DNR and help to acquire much needed public land that everyone can enjoy.

Director Lande’s email address is:

Roger.lande@dnr.iowa.gov


Either copy the message below as you have been doing or send a personal note of your own.

Thank you for your support
Friends of Iowa Landowners & Sportsmen






Dear Mr. Lande,

In its report to the Iowa Legislature in 2009 the Iowa Deer Advisory Committee stated “It is important from a social and economic perspective for non-resident hunters to not be restricted without sound management reasons”. Denying a large group of landowners from being able to manage their own properties efficiently as currently happens, impacts the entire state economically and affects Iowa’s wildlife and its habitat.

Bills SF #219 & HF # 327 provide social and economic incentives for Iowa. These bills will benefit many Iowa citizens, businesses and landowners whose livelihoods depend on the monies spent by non-resident landowners each year, a hidden economy often overlooked when this debate begins. These bills also provide an economic stimulus for Iowa ’s DNR whose programs and servicesas you are aware, have deteriorated due to the economic conditions we have all felt in the last few years. Lastly and quite possibly the most important in many eyes, it will provide an opportunity for the state to access “New Funds” for land acquisition that is desperately needed for Iowa’s hunting community and its citizens to enjoy.

There is a lot of passionate debate concerning this issue and I understand the concerns that are raised. As Iowa landowners we all embrace Iowa ’s heritage, there is room for compromise without compromising the quality of Iowa ’s wildlife, which this bill provides for. I believe your support for Bills SF #219 & HF #327 would be a positive step in the right direction for all of Iowa .


Thank you for your time and consideration

Sincerely,



The divided house FOI refers to is the money side of the DNR, those who would sell our deer herd and hunting heritage to the highest bidder and those on the conservation side of the DNR who would seek to keep the herd healthy, huntable and our hunting heritage intact.

If the DNR gets in bed with FOI it would be the same as a prostitute taking money for her services. The john doesn’t give a damn about the prostitute, he just wants something he can’t get on his own and has the money to pay for it. Such as it is with FOI, they don’t give a damn about Iowans, they just want what we have to offer, can’t get in their own state and are willing to flash the big cash to get what they want. When they are done and have gotten what they want from Iowa the money side of the DNR will be a broken down, pimped out shell of an institution and the conservation side will be left to pick up the pieces. And where will we be? Sitting in the house watching football because all the hunting land is sold or leased and the deer population will once again be out of control because the hunters who care about the hunt and not the trophy will not have land to hunt on.

OK, so maybe you don’t wanna put that in a letter to Mr. Lande, but you get my drift.

Oh yeah, I'm sure some of the "generals" will be more than happy with their new promotion. I thnk I'll send a box of gold stars to the Wildlife Bureau so they can wear the appropriate insignia for their rank.

 
Thanks Bonker. What points do you guys think would influence our supreme commander? I'm trying to compose an e-mail that someone might actually give him to read. Mr. Lande apparently has dismissed all the usual arguments. I.m thinking what has happened in other states is the best argument.
 
I think FOI's own words need to be thrown back at them. The "field generals", in other words, the guys who actually know what is going on out here, oppose these bills. The "administration", who sit in an office all day, support it. It's the guys in the field who win the war, which in this case is managing our deer herd. Bonk's hooker analogy is perfect. Someone who is better with words than me needs to compose something for the rest of us. Shouldn't our legislator's be made aware of FOI's admission that the field guys in our DNR oppose this?
 
In regard to Director Lande, I would suspect that he would have some sympathy to the Iowa residents ability to have access to land in this State. His wife is a board member of the Iowa Natural Heritage Foundation. I would be interested to hear his take on this situation. Increasing recreational land values means that the INHF monies won't go as far as they could in protecting our natural areas.
 
Mr. Lande, My name is ____. I am a resident deer hunter, landowner, and farmer. I am writing you concerning the group FOI, and their lobbying effort to give NRLO's a any-sex deer tag. Are you aware that in their last call to action letter, in which they implore their followers to lobby you personally, they actually admit that the "field generals" of the DNR and the enforcement staff oppose SF 219 and the companion bill in the House? In other words, the very people on the ground and closest to our deer herd, who we pay to manage and protect the herd, see the folly in turning Iowa into a NR hunting playground. Neighboring states have attempted to "cash in" on their deer herds in this way and the results have been two-fold. Residents can no longer find enough places to hunt, so resident hunter numbers start to decline. This results in an inability to control and manage the deer population. I urge you to not support these bills for the short term economic gain they may or may not provide. Your job is to do what is right for the deer and RESIDENTS of Iowa, not cater to a wealthy lobby of people who only seek a set of antlers for their wall. Respectfully yours, ____ ________ Additions or corrections?????
 
turkeyriver said:
Mr. Lande, My name is ____. I am a resident deer hunter, landowner, and farmer. I am writing you concerning the group FOI, and their lobbying effort to give NRLO's a any-sex deer tag. Are you aware that in their last call to action letter, in which they implore their followers to lobby you personally, they actually admit that the "field generals" of the DNR and the enforcement staff oppose SF 219 and the companion bill in the House? In other words, the very people on the ground and closest to our deer herd, who we pay to manage and protect the herd, see the folly in turning Iowa into a NR hunting playground. Neighboring states have attempted to "cash in" on their deer herds in this way and the results have been two-fold. Residents can no longer find enough places to hunt, so resident hunter numbers start to decline. This results in an inability to control and manage the deer population. I urge you to not support these bills for the short term economic gain they may or may not provide. Your job is to do what is right for the deer and RESIDENTS of Iowa, not cater to a wealthy lobby of people who only seek a set of antlers for their wall. Respectfully yours, ____ ________ Additions or corrections?????
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Yeah ya left out the "pimp for the deer herd" part:rolleyes:.

Actually looks pretty good.:way: Shirley write that for ya?:D
 
turkeyriver said:
Mr. Lande, My name is ____. I am a resident deer hunter, landowner, and farmer. I am writing you concerning the group FOI, and their lobbying effort to give NRLO's a any-sex deer tag. Are you aware that in their last call to action letter, in which they implore their followers to lobby you personally, they actually admit that the "field generals" of the DNR and the enforcement staff oppose SF 219 and the companion bill in the House? In other words, the very people on the ground and closest to our deer herd, who we pay to manage and protect the herd, see the folly in turning Iowa into a NR hunting playground. Neighboring states have attempted to "cash in" on their deer herds in this way and the results have been two-fold. Residents can no longer find enough places to hunt, so resident hunter numbers start to decline. This results in an inability to control and manage the deer population. I urge you to not support these bills for the short term economic gain they may or may not provide. Your job is to do what is right for the deer and RESIDENTS of Iowa, not cater to a wealthy lobby of people who only seek a set of antlers for their wall. Respectfully yours, ____ ________ Additions or corrections?????
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Very nice.........:way:.:drink1:
 
Looks good Daryl! I didn't know you were so sophisticated :grin:
You're turning into a regular Hemingway! And Im not talking about the drinking :drink1:

Thanks for providing an example for everyone! :way:
 
Beer or Makers46? I hear that's excellent for helping ignore the alarm clock and fertilizing the tree the stand is in.
 
Keep in mind this survey was done in Il. For those that may think I pulled info out of context, send me a PM. I'd be happy to send you the complete 48 page PDF document.

Illinois Nonresident & Resident Deer Hunter Survey

Nonresidents
· Although more than half of NR’s surveyed indicated a willingness to harvest 2 does; only 3% did and 81% did not harvest any does (16% killed one)
· 55% of NR’s either hired a guide or leased land (this does not include NR’s who own land in Il.)
· NR’s harvested more large bucks than any other type of deer (64% of kills were bucks)
· 71% of NR’s indicated that the number of trophy deer they saw was very important.
· 58% stated that was the most important reason they hunted in Il was that they expected to harvest a trophy buck.
· Over 88% of NR’s indicated that they felt that deer numbers should stay the same or increase.
· Study noted “that non-resident desires may be in direct conflict with the broader objectives for white tail deer management from a statewide perspective.”


Residents

· Resident hunters harvested more does than any other classes of deer.
· Resident hunters were more likely to harvest females or antlerless than males or antlered deer
· Resident hunters leased land or hired outfitters less often than nr’s
· Resident hunters were less satisfied with their ability to access private hunting land and their deer hunting experience.
 
ElkHunter said:

Illinois Nonresident & Resident Deer Hunter Survey

Nonresidents
· Although more than half of NR’s surveyed indicated a willingness to harvest 2 does; only 3% did and 81% did not harvest any does (16% killed one)
· 55% of NR’s either hired a guide or leased land (this does not include NR’s who own land in Il.)
· NR’s harvested more large bucks than any other type of deer (64% of kills were bucks)
· 71% of NR’s indicated that the number of trophy deer they saw was very important.
· 58% stated that was the most important reason they hunted in Il was that they expected to harvest a trophy buck.
· Over 88% of NR’s indicated that they felt that deer numbers should stay the same or increase.
·Study noted “that non-resident desires may be in direct conflict with the broader objectives for white tail deer management from a statewide perspective.”

Interesting! I was just reading on the FOI website and they say that they are all about harvesting does and land improvement and benefiting Iowa's overall deer herd. And then when you look at the photos, it's a bunch of dudes sitting proudly in front of their "what they consider" Iowa monster bucks! What a joke! You know it would be a little easier for me to sympathize with them if they would just say " we want to hunt our land in Iowa every year so we can try to shoot a giant buck". All this betterment of the land and take a child hunting rambling is BS and everyone knows it. I moved to Iowa 4 yrs ago because I live to bowhunt and in my opinion it doesn't get much better than here. Plain and simple, IF YOU WANT TO HUNT IOWA EVERY YEAR, MOVE HERE!
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First, who did the survey. I'll throw some numbers together as well and post them if you want. Secondly, there are vast differences between the NR hunter and the NR landowner. Looks like the above addresses the NR hunter primarily.
 
Jdubs said:
First, who did the survey. I'll throw some numbers together as well and post them if you want. Secondly, there are vast differences between the NR hunter and the NR landowner. Looks like the above addresses the NR hunter primarily.
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As long as the nr landowner isn't given an advantage over other nr hunters, i don't see a reason to throw numbers together. How many anterless deer do you shoot Jdubs? Unless you are putting together some numbers from your own state. I still can't understand how somebody who can't even get the right to hunt 7 days a week in their home state; think they know what's best for a state in which they don't live! Or what even makes them think they can do something about it. Maybe we should change our regulations to the same as Pennsylvania's; NOT!
 
Jdubs,
All I need is a PM with email address and I'll gladly send complete report. Can't post 48 pages here.

Federal Aid Project
Number W-112-R-16
Job Number 101.5
Wildlife Restoration
Oct. 1, 2006-Sept. 30, 2007​
Sam Flood​
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, Acting Director
Illinois Department of Natural
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Paul Vehlow​
Federal Aid Coordinator​
John E. Buhnerkempe​
Chief, Division of Wildlife
Resources​
Stacy A. Lischka
Program Leader and Principal Investigator
William L. Anderson,
Principal Investigator
Human Dimensions Research Program
Illinois Natural History Survey
Report prepared by
Stacy A. Lischka,
William L. Anderson,​
and Linda K. Campbell
 
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