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October 23rd, 2021

Perennial white & red clovers finally starting to gain momentum. Rye has filled in nicely as well. A few broadleaf weeds here and there, nothing too bad..

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Some buckwheat still left in there, but losing steam in the colder nights.

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I sowed clover with an oats nurse crop drilled in on the same day on a new plot. About 8 weeks ago. Oats starting to poke through the thatch. Got 3in of rain yesterday, so hope that sparks the growth.

Also, working to establish on existing food plots (same process as above 8 weeks ago) . On Friday, I sowed some WR in, since the oats were getting hammered.

Anyone have experience using WR as a nurse crop for clover?


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Bassattackr said:
Yes, all my photos above are clover with a cereal rye nurse crop.

This was the preferred method for establishing perennial clover of Dbltree.
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Correct...I don't think there is a better way to establish clover than to plant it in the fall, with a nurse crop of rye. Mow the rye next summer...voila...excellent clover underneath.
 
Daver said:
Correct...I don't think there is a better way to establish clover than to plant it in the fall, with a nurse crop of rye. Mow the rye next summer...voila...excellent clover underneath.
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I did this last fall. Looks good but I didn't have to mow the Rye this summer. Not sure where it went but the clover looks pretty good. Very few weeds.
 
HWC said:
I did this last fall. Looks good but I didn't have to mow the Rye this summer. Not sure where it went but the clover looks pretty good. Very few weeds.
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The rye will grow like crazy in the spring and early summer and then die back in say July'ish. You can mow the rye to expose the clover, but even if you don't, the rye will fade and all that you will have left there is the beautiful clover. That sounds like what you experienced. You don't HAVE to mow the rye, but you can.
 
I frost seeded a small kill plot last spring.
I'd came up good but the God turned off the water (June July and untill 3 week of August l.
From late August through Sept, got about 9 " of much needed rain.
The clover came back and ill say it's probably the best clover field 8ve ever seen.
The deer are still now hammering it.
 
Bucksnbears said:
I frost seeded a small kill plot last spring.
I'd came up good but the God turned off the water (June July and untill 3 week of August l.
From late August through Sept, got about 9 " of much needed rain.
The clover came back and ill say it's probably the best clover field 8ve ever seen.
The deer are still now hammering it.
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Any pics of your clover? Curious how tall/thick it normally gets the first year.
 
Sorry, no pics but I've been planting white clover plots for 15+ years and it turned out fantastic!.
I'd say after the rains came 3rd week August, and no frost till 3rd week Oct (very rare), it got to about 8" overall. And nary a weed in it (grin) got real lucky and totally unexpected.
 
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I have a questions , what fixes the most nitrogen Red or White clover ? White clover is more expensive in seed cost but is it a better benefit for your soil than Red ?
 
Jbohn said:
I have a questions , what fixes the most nitrogen Red or White clover ? White clover is more expensive in seed cost but is it a better benefit for your soil than Red ?
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There is not a lot of difference as far as N fixation.
Red Clover- 100-200
White clover 100-150
Annual N per acre

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How often do you guys frost seed into existing clover plots? I have a couple plots that are 1/4 acre or less that I've fall planted and then frost seeded the following year. Is it beneficial to keep frost seeding/over seeding some every year or just in thin areas?
 
deerhunter93 said:
How often do you guys frost seed into existing clover plots? I have a couple plots that are 1/4 acre or less that I've fall planted and then frost seeded the following year. Is it beneficial to keep frost seeding/over seeding some every year or just in thin areas?
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Assuming your putting clover in your fall plot I don't believe there is any need for it

Now if you did it last year and the water never came like what happened on mine then you may need some. I put in a strip of clover and rye around a field it germinated and then died...rye didn't even really grow...so for me this year I will be putting more down this spring but not normal practice

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deerhunter93 said:
How often do you guys frost seed into existing clover plots? I have a couple plots that are 1/4 acre or less that I've fall planted and then frost seeded the following year. Is it beneficial to keep frost seeding/over seeding some every year or just in thin areas?
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Never hurts to patch up the thin or bare areas, otherwise you're probably wasting your seed.

Best stands of frost seeding area result of good seed to soil contact.
 
Going back to 2018/19 in this topic I see there's mention of IMOX Herbicide for killing grass and broadleaf weeds in clover. I'm curious if anyone has used this the past few years and what their results have been? It is pricey stuff but if it gets both the normal grass, weeds and bonus it kills sedge, then this sounds like a great product.

If anyone has used it, do you recall your mix rate per gallon of water?

Also, just frost seeded into two plots with new clover that were beans in one and radishes/rape in another. Lots of bare dirt, hope it works!
 
Snooter said:
Going back to 2018/19 in this topic I see there's mention of IMOX Herbicide for killing grass and broadleaf weeds in clover. I'm curious if anyone has used this the past few years and what their results have been? It is pricey stuff but if it gets both the normal grass, weeds and bonus it kills sedge, then this sounds like a great product.

If anyone has used it, do you recall your mix rate per gallon of water?

Also, just frost seeded into two plots with new clover that were beans in one and radishes/rape in another. Lots of bare dirt, hope it works!
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I used it last year and had fairly poor results. However, upon further investigation the weeds may have been too big. I would be willing to give it another shot earlier in the growing season.

Mix rate per gallon is pretty meaningless without sprayer calibration information (how much water you putting out per acre). Herbicide per acre is what you are after.
 
Snooter said:
Going back to 2018/19 in this topic I see there's mention of IMOX Herbicide for killing grass and broadleaf weeds in clover. I'm curious if anyone has used this the past few years and what their results have been? It is pricey stuff but if it gets both the normal grass, weeds and bonus it kills sedge, then this sounds like a great product.

If anyone has used it, do you recall your mix rate per gallon of water?

Also, just frost seeded into two plots with new clover that were beans in one and radishes/rape in another. Lots of bare dirt, hope it works!
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Over the last few years I have been getting away from herbicides on clover. I spray cleth around late may and then mow the rest of the year, seems to work the best along with being the cheapest method....just my opinion tho
 
Snooter said:
Going back to 2018/19 in this topic I see there's mention of IMOX Herbicide for killing grass and broadleaf weeds in clover. I'm curious if anyone has used this the past few years and what their results have been? It is pricey stuff but if it gets both the normal grass, weeds and bonus it kills sedge, then this sounds like a great product.

If anyone has used it, do you recall your mix rate per gallon of water?

Also, just frost seeded into two plots with new clover that were beans in one and radishes/rape in another. Lots of bare dirt, hope it works!
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Some guys on here use a diluted gly mix, 1 oz. per gallon and swear by it for this application. I think I'm going to try a small test plot for this and the rest will be IMOX. As IBH1983 said, I think timing is important for the IMOX.
 
I have a few clover plots that I am planning to seed this spring (I know fall is best time). As discussed above, I've used rye as a nurse crop for fall seedings, should I do the same for spring clover seeding? Or is there a better nurse crop for spring? Or should I not use a nurse crop this spring? One of the plots is on a hillside and I'm a little worried about erosion so like the idea of a nurse crop that will germinate quickly and hold the soil until the clover kicks off.
 
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