I wonder about this herbicide for clover (same as pursuit) It is labeled for clover.
Clover
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Hmmmmm!!!! Interesting. So- it’s same group & chemical class as Imox…. So similar. But - hopefully better?!?!? Worth a shot for sure!!!! I’d try it for sure. Reply on how it goes if try.
Copenhagen Tob
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I've got a real problem with smartweed in most of my clover/chicory. Anyone have any experience with Raptor
Big8s1992
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Have been waiting patiently for my last mowing of clover for the season..have been holding off with this dry weather. I like to clip tops towards the end of August so growth is lush & tender by the October opener. It's a 3 acre plot that has done great even despite the dry spells this summer but I'm hoping for some advice..would you mow this in the next few days? There is actually some soil moisture on the surface if I dig down below the clover thatch so I am hoping I wouldn't be making a mistake given the cooler weather moving forward as well. I will be unable to mow until 9/18 if I don't mow tomorrow or Friday of this week. Thanks
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I could go either way on this one. If & when looks extremely likely to get good rain- barely take off the tops. If things continue to be stay dry- I’d personally let it be for the year.
Side note: I was looking at some clover yesterday that I didn’t mow…. It did get mowed- by the deer. They really did do the job of a mower. In cases like that - I kinda think the deer do the work for me.
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hillrunner
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This is a 2nd year ladino clover plot that looked great a month ago. It completely cooked in the dry heat this last month. I'm not sure if there's enough time left this year to bounce back if the rains come?
That same scenario has me thinking a lot about converting to grazing alfalfa instead. Maybe grow the clover where there is at least some shade.
justinkarns
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Had a similar result this year on a 2nd year ladino plot. Ended up tilling and reseeding with oats / rye / clovers. Re-establishing clover stand with a variety to hopefully help survive summer. This area had been farmed by a fly by night type farmer for years, soil all cracking throughout the plot with the drout. I need to build soil bad there!
I had alot of success broadcasting radishes into clover like that last year. Might want to give it a shot if any rain coming.
Wildturkey 2
Active Member
This a clover seeding that was frost seeded this past winter. I clipped the weeds once earlier but it's time to do it again. A little grass is coming up also but I'm hoping to wait until next spring to hit the grass with Select Max. Select vs Poast Plus
This plot had been in brome sod, so I mowed it August, waited for it to greenup and sprayed it with 2 quarts of Roundup Max in September.
This left little surface residue and no grass competition for the new frost seeding.
PH was fine and I put on #300 of 6-24-24 fertilizer.
Normal seeding rates for white clover are roughly 4#'s per acre and 8-12#'s for red clover but when frost seeding it doesn't hurt to up the rate to 6-8#'s and 10-15#. Frost seeding is a very effective, easy and economical method of establishing clovers especially in areas where tillage is not possible.
In most cases we will be frost seeding in Feb./March when there is little or no snow cover and the ground is freezing at night, thawing during the day.
Use a small hand seeder or calibrated ATV spreader or even a drill and sow seed in early morning when ground is frozen.
Be aware however that some clovers such as annual Berseem Clover cannot be frost seeded!! I would also like to pointout that many commercial "brand" mixes such as WI's Imperial Clover contain as much as 30% berseem...so frost seeding these mixes means you will be throwing away (literally) a third on the money you spent on seed!!
A much better option is to buy and plant the specific seeds you will need in your situation.
I have found Welter Seed to be an excellent source for "seeds by the pound". They will gladly ship you 5#'sor 500 and mine often arrives the next day!
Alice White Clover is one of the finest, most drought resistant white clovers for midwest and northern areas that is available and will allow you to plant an acre of premium white clover for 20 bucks!
We will try to cover every concievable aspect of planting and maintaining clover food plots in this thread as we go along.
Frost seeding, spring seeding, summer and very early fall seedings. We'll cover using herbicides, when and when not to clip, what types, varieties and brands of clover to plant and hopefully answer every imaginable question at the same time.
Has anyone frost seeded the frosty bermeem clover ? Any luck doing so ?I was thinking about frost seeding some WI clover over this patch. The deer are rooting it up like hogs for the purple tops.
I seeded some in march. Before I had thought it was meant for frost seeding. & it might do ok. I think mine did ok. After reading up- I don’t think it’s meant for frost seeding. It’s meant to be seeded like alfalfa for example… after the bad frosts. It’s simply more tolerant later in season - colder temps. Stays green later.
If do it… late march would be best. Otherwise a regular seeding in mid April.
Wildturkey 2
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Thought I read frosty was the only bermeem that could be frost seeded ?
I’ve read mixed. I actually just found this. So- in this case, appears like it’s just fine…. Hmmmm…. I’d say go for it based on this…..
Have You Considered Frost Seeding Clover? | GO Seed
Frost seeding is a relatively easy and economical way to apply seed by broadcasting the seed on frozen ground. Legumes, clovers especially, are successfully applied this way
goseed.com
Wildturkey 2
Active Member
Ya probably better to drill it in but I will try and frost seed it expensive experiment!!!!!I’ve read mixed. I actually just found this. So- in this case, appears like it’s just fine…. Hmmmm…. I’d say go for it based on this…..
Have You Considered Frost Seeding Clover? | GO Seed
Frost seeding is a relatively easy and economical way to apply seed by broadcasting the seed on frozen ground. Legumes, clovers especially, are successfully applied this way
Tmayer13
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I did it with great results. I believe I seeded it in early march. I had a wonderful stand before i terminated it for a fall plot
Wildturkey 2
Active Member
Anyone use whitetail insitute products? And what work best for youThis a clover seeding that was frost seeded this past winter. I clipped the weeds once earlier but it's time to do it again. A little grass is coming up also but I'm hoping to wait until next spring to hit the grass with Select Max. Select vs Poast Plus
This plot had been in brome sod, so I mowed it August, waited for it to greenup and sprayed it with 2 quarts of Roundup Max in September.
This left little surface residue and no grass competition for the new frost seeding.
PH was fine and I put on #300 of 6-24-24 fertilizer.
Normal seeding rates for white clover are roughly 4#'s per acre and 8-12#'s for red clover but when frost seeding it doesn't hurt to up the rate to 6-8#'s and 10-15#. Frost seeding is a very effective, easy and economical method of establishing clovers especially in areas where tillage is not possible.
In most cases we will be frost seeding in Feb./March when there is little or no snow cover and the ground is freezing at night, thawing during the day.
Use a small hand seeder or calibrated ATV spreader or even a drill and sow seed in early morning when ground is frozen.
Be aware however that some clovers such as annual Berseem Clover cannot be frost seeded!! I would also like to pointout that many commercial "brand" mixes such as WI's Imperial Clover contain as much as 30% berseem...so frost seeding these mixes means you will be throwing away (literally) a third on the money you spent on seed!!
A much better option is to buy and plant the specific seeds you will need in your situation.
I have found Welter Seed to be an excellent source for "seeds by the pound". They will gladly ship you 5#'sor 500 and mine often arrives the next day!
Alice White Clover is one of the finest, most drought resistant white clovers for midwest and northern areas that is available and will allow you to plant an acre of premium white clover for 20 bucks!
We will try to cover every concievable aspect of planting and maintaining clover food plots in this thread as we go along.
Frost seeding, spring seeding, summer and very early fall seedings. We'll cover using herbicides, when and when not to clip, what types, varieties and brands of clover to plant and hopefully answer every imaginable question at the same time.
bwese
Active Member
I used whitetail extreme for my first seeded food plot into a killed off a former brome field. It's use was incredible for 3 years. I bought it because it had been marked down to a crazy low price to dump it. Deer use was incredible, however during this I time fell into this addiction of habitat management/deer management. During this education/knowledge seeking time(still going on) I learned via this forum and a few others that it's possible to get the same results from non buck on bag products and save money to put into other aspects of habitat.
If the price for this product was comparable to what I can get other comparable green spring through fall plots, I would still be using it. The deer flocked to it but they also flock to the clover, alfalfa, and chicory blends I plant now just as much.
Wildturkey 2
Active Member
Ok thanks I here fusion is a very good WT product also. I may try their products once I do most of the time use co-op products and mix my own .
If I had some 2nd and 3rd year clover that could use a boost and I'm seeing plenty of broadleaf weeds getting started, would it be a good plan to spread some clover seed and then spray a light dose of gly? Seeing quite a bit of rain in the 10 day and thought that could get the new seed going and the lighter gly spraying would kill broadleaf without killing older clover. Or do I just let it all go/grow and mow for broadleafs as the year goes?
2-bucks
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First my disclaimer. I'm not near as good at this stuff as others on here. In my clover plots I spray clethodim for grasses and 2,4,D B for broadleaf, in established plots and have had good results. It does not kill the clover. BUT be careful to use 2,4,D, B (note the "B"). Normal 2,4,D will kill the clover. I mix them in the same application with crop oil most of the time.