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My wife shoots a Remington 7400 in .270. I guess there is no reason she should be shooting this gun?

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I'd say there's a big difference between having a four-shot magazine and a 10-round (standard) or more magazine. By the accounts, the guy laid down 20 rounds. I realize it's a slippery slope but I personally don't believe a military-style semi-auto belongs in the hunting woods. If he'd only had four or five shots, some of those folks might still be alive. He'd at least have had to stop and reload.
 
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Now that I think back when I was a volunteer for the DNR nearly 17 years ago I would interview fisherman on the Huron River just outside Ann Arbor, MI. We used to run into Hmong families all the time and I was instructed/warned to stay away and not bother them. They would make a camp fire and as they caught ANY type of fish or killed ANY type of bird they would cook it instantly over the fire. The DNR officier that trained me claimed he had seen them eat red wing blackbirds, grackles, common house sparrows and bluebirds. Maybe this will trigger some kind of investigation into the hunting ethics of these groups.
The two people that lead him out of the woods should be damn glad he was only carrying 20 rounds because I am pretty sure the number would be eight instead of six. It will definatly make me think twice while approaching someone in the woods for trespassing.
 
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I don't think that the type of gun used has any relavence in this instance. The media is doing enough to turn this into a gun issue without the help of sportsmen. I personnally carry a chell belt full of ammo when i go elk hunting, (15 rounds) I don't plan on ever using them all but i dodn't like to think about running out. This is not an issue of weather this weapon should be used for hunting or should be legal it is about the mentality and unstability of the individual. When he was walking away stopped after 50 yards, removed his scope, and started shooting the gun is not the issue, it's the person behind it.

Many people us SKS rifles for deer hunting because of the low cost, accesability and low price of ammo, and the low recoil. I'm sorry about wenting but I'm getting sick of hearing about this as a gun issue, IT IS NOT, and if it is treated as a gun issue it will just encourage the anti gun and anti hunting groups to work harder to legislate against the rights of sportsman.

The real issue here is with the families. We need to be praying for the families effected by this tragedy and keep them in our thoughts and prayers.
 
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This scares me a lot, the public areas i've hunted these groups of people from MN trample through the woods like an army. One time i went to a public area to deer hunt when i got to the parking lot there were several women cutting medium sized trees down to make a fire while the men were hunting for squirrels and who knows what else. Very scary stuff when you know these same people are in your backyard. Makes you wish you had something else instead of a bow when you go into the woods.
 
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good point lxshooter, he doesn't even need a trial, just a hearing. the judge just sends him out back, and the bailiff pops him in the head, and they can bury him in the city dump. better than he deserves, i know, but that seems about fair to me

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Interesting comments from an IBA area rep...

And actually I do hunt deer with a single shot....Knight muzzleloader. Haven't been skunked yet. Even in heavy brush!
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And for the record, I tried to make it clear....TWICE....that I'm not trying to turn this shooting in to a gun issue or that the type of gun has anything to do with the killings.

My point...for the 3rd time....is that there's no need to hunt deer with a semi-auto high power rifle. It encourages poor hunters to rattle off multiple rounds at running deer. With the range a highpower is capable of....it makes for a dangerous situation fast on public hunting grounds.
 
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How could you not know you were on private land. "Ah, there is a treestand with no one in it. It's not mine, but I am going to use it anyway."

In a report that I had seen earlier, Monday morning, it said that this person had been arrested in MN for tresspasssing in the past.

As for the SKS, I have shot one of these guns and I am not sure why you would even want to use one for deer hunting. And why would you even need a gun that could handle a 20 shot clip, is beyond me. You only need one shot to put a whitetail down. This is just me talking here now, but I think that anyone that goes out in the woods with anything more than a 4 shot clip better spend a little more time at the gun range. Either they are not taking proper aim at the animal or they just "FLOCK" shooting at the animal hoping to hit it. And you know what really pisses me off when they do that, is that half the time if the animal doesn't drop or fall and get up again, they never go look for blood to see if one of those stray shots hit the animal.

I think most of those people are just out to shoot!

Any, WI does not have the death penalty and to lock this guy up and just let the WI tax payers give him a nice home where he can edjucate himself some more is not right! In this case, I think this guy should be put back up in that stand with a rope around his neck and the stand knocked out from under him. This is a case where I am in all favor for the death penalty.

As for the ANTI-GUN people, they are having a hayday with this or will. I hate to admit it, but I think something will come out of this one. THere was talk already in WI about revising the law as to which types of guns are leagal for hunting with.

I don't think they should allow assult rifles like AK47 or SKS,s and MR14 in the woods for deer hunting. I think the guns should be limited to no more than 5 shots at a max. Maybe that would make people make sure that first shot counts the first time. Maybe there wouldn't be as many, not that there are anymore, stray bullet injuries.

IT IS A SHAME THAT IT HAPPEND AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILIES OF THE LOST ONES.

What more can I say.

Take care.
 
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You guys need to stay off this gun issue bullcrap! It was not the guns conscience that killed these people it was the guy that was carrying it!!!! I don't use a semi-auto either but don't bash anyone for carrying anything, it's their choice and I support them.

I believe in capital punishment and hope this is what happens to this waist of oxygen.

I had never heard of these groups of people abusing our natural resources, ie; bluebirds, grackels, ect, ect. This type of abuse needs to be stopped and the groups doing it need to be prosecuted!

America doesen't need any more gun control, we need people control. Maybe some of these lottery taxes should go to hiring more DNR, Officers, in addition to the proper equipment and training to stop this life style in the United States before we the people get fed up with it and take matters in to our own hands. After reading this thread and then the artical I'm so damned worked up I need a chill pill.

Final note; My heart bleeds for the families and friends that are suffering from this atrosity and hope that justice can make them feel that their county won't let this go unanswered.

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I'm glad to see there are others who realize what I'm saying about the danger of run and gun hunting with a semi-auto high power rifle here. From reading the arrest report and the testimony that Vang gave, it sounds as though he is admitting that he shot unarmed men in the woods. He also testified that he was fired upon first. That wouldn't qualify as self defense since he continued on his shooting rampage after firing at the person who "supposedly" shot at him first but it looks like this is going to take a while for the authorities to sort out all the facts. I'm not of a minority group background personally but I can imagine he felt pretty intimidated if he was being called racist names by 8 strangers in the woods and then one of them fired a warning shot near his position. Again that still doesn't justify what he did but I think the testimony he already gave on his own behalf will be enough to convict him of murder. My uneducated guess is that he will be convicted of something other than first degree murder though because I think it will be difficult to prove/show that he walked in to the woods that day with the pre-meditated notion that he was going to kill a human being. Unfortunate this had to happen. I'm sure it will be a tough holiday for all the victims families.
 
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But is it considered premeditated if he walks 40 yards stops and takes his scope off and then begins to fire at them. I don't know the time span defined by premeditated, is it 1 minute or is it 48 hours? From the time he began to fiddle with his gun/scope he obviosly knew he was about to kill someone. I have a hard time believing someone fired upon him first, with the whole walking 40 yards thing before the shooting began.
 
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Well I wasn't there so I couldn't say for sure and I'm not taking the shooter's side here because I do think he will be convicted from his testimony. But Vang's version of the story says that he took the scope off after he was fired upon. So if that holds up in court, I'd say his initial response was in self defense. He crossed the line when he started chasing down unarmed men and killing them. Again...this all depends on whether his version of what happened is even true.
 
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Like it has been said above. Who cares what kind of gun he was using. You could have done just as much damage with a pump shotgun. It is the person that is the problem. As for "flock shooting" not everybody who uses a semi-auto, or a pump gun does that. Party hunting is legal so if my party would like to fill our tags and 5 deer come past me I will shoot each and every one of them. I don't think that is wrong.
 
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Hey guys, Go to Bowsite.com and look in their forum. Somebody posted the police report. It has every detail in full. Unfreaking beleivable!
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I don't see anyone saying that party hunting is wrong or that "every" hunter who party hunts is spraying the woods with lead. Where did you read that?
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If you go to the website of the Milwaukee Journal, you can read all about this tragic story. In one column there are pictures of the victims. After you put a face to the name, you could care less on what kind of gun, how they hunt, etc,.............
 
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Bring on Johnny Cochrin and the ACLU!
I hope for the sake of the families involved national attention quickly fades.
 
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