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My argument will be for Land .Owner Tags to be good for any season. I have a lot of deer on my property year after year that I can track, get pictures, and retrieve sheds. They do not spend much time on other properties to my knowledge. I have my management goals and typically my family and possibly a close friend might get a chance to hunt on my land.

If during a certain year I have a target buck I want to remove from the population (or two) I am likely the only one who will do it. If early muzzy comes and goes and I don't get my chance I will like the opportunity to still remove that buck to make room for others to grow up on the farm.

Also, I have the issue that my farm is 3 hours from my home. If the weather does not cooperate, I end up having a kids wrestling tournament, a house project comes up etc etc... the extra time to use my tag helps me and the deer health/population/balance on my property.

You might argue that I have my regular tags for that...I do, and with a busy family life I also have places I hunt closer to home and can squeak out to get a chance hear and there. If I fill my tag close to home my farm will see no benefits from a population reduction. There are very few years I shoot more than one buck in my situation so I feel it is well balanced and I am not hurting the population or taking more than my share. My wife MIGHT shoot a deer during her shotgun season, but it is more about time in the blind than anything...

I sacrificed different things and worked hard to get what I have. I like owning the land and having the extra tag to help manage the land. The US is equal opportunity- if you want to manage land with land owner tags there are lots of ways to make that dream happen. For some people it is not worth the extra sacrifices.
 
lv2hntnfsh said:
My argument will be for Land .Owner Tags to be good for any season. I have a lot of deer on my property year after year that I can track, get pictures, and retrieve sheds. They do not spend much time on other properties to my knowledge. I have my management goals and typically my family and possibly a close friend might get a chance to hunt on my land.

If during a certain year I have a target buck I want to remove from the population (or two) I am likely the only one who will do it. If early muzzy comes and goes and I don't get my chance I will like the opportunity to still remove that buck to make room for others to grow up on the farm.

Also, I have the issue that my farm is 3 hours from my home. If the weather does not cooperate, I end up having a kids wrestling tournament, a house project comes up etc etc... the extra time to use my tag helps me and the deer health/population/balance on my property.

You might argue that I have my regular tags for that...I do, and with a busy family life I also have places I hunt closer to home and can squeak out to get a chance hear and there. If I fill my tag close to home my farm will see no benefits from a population reduction. There are very few years I shoot more than one buck in my situation so I feel it is well balanced and I am not hurting the population or taking more than my share. My wife MIGHT shoot a deer during her shotgun season, but it is more about time in the blind than anything...

I sacrificed different things and worked hard to get what I have. I like owning the land and having the extra tag to help manage the land. The US is equal opportunity- if you want to manage land with land owner tags there are lots of ways to make that dream happen. For some people it is not worth the extra sacrifices.
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I understand most of what your saying except the part about herd health/population/balance. Since when has shooting bucks been needed to balance or help the herd population. Isn't that what does tags are for. Let's call a spade a spade. The tag will be used for big bucks 99% of the time and if the landowner doesn't get it during the first season they want to be able to keep hunting. And also it seems as though you think nobody else has house projects, kids activites or every day life that effects their hunting.
 
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bigbuckhunter88 said:
I understand most of what your saying except the part about herd health/population/balance. Since when has shooting bucks been needed to balance or help the herd population. Isn't that what does tags are for. Let's call a spade a spade. The tag will be used for big bucks 99% of the time and if the landowner doesn't get it during the first season they want to be able to keep hunting. And also it seems as though you think nobody else has house projects, kids activites or every day life that effects their hunting.
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Let's do that, let's call a spade a spade.

Surprisingly or not I have a pretty good B/D ratio on my property. 99% of the time I will be shooting a mature buck, and it might be a 7 year old 120 inch 8 pointer that fights every deer on the property.

Not at all assuming others are not busy, I am just saying that without the land owner tag it would be harder to make good use of my land owners tag 3 hours away. Just this last year I had 3 weekends of my hunting season burned up by a masters program I am working through. With the amount of money and sweat I put in to the property I feel zero guilt of having the land owners tag.

The opportunity is there if you want it. If you want to go back to school to start a new career, start a company, get a second job, or borrow money it is usually there. Sometimes it means a smaller home, a 10 year old truck, not having a new bow every year...etc...but the opportunity is there for everyone, it is up to you to make your outcome. Go get it man!
 
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Swampy_44 said:
Maybe we can try a civil conversation? Both responses you assume things about me that you have no idea about. No interest in land? My wife and I are saving up just to buy land. Especially with deer management in mind. I also help out on those farms year round, for no pay. I pay my dues, and help as much as I can. So you stating I have no interest in the land is far from the truth. And your assumptions about me couldn't be further than the truth. And I'm a socialist anything else?
You seem to feel that since you own the land you are entitled to more privileges? Am I wrong?
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I guess I didn’t realize our conversation was not civil.

I applaud that you are saving for your own land and I hope that one day you do own your own land and understand the expense involved and realize that land ownership isn't about entitlement.

But, saving money isn't the same thing as being fanatically invested in a property. And doing favors for a landowner that allows you the use of his or her land isn't really without compensation.

Regardless of how you try to frame it you don't have a vested interest in this issue. So, outside of the argument that it's not fair to you that a landowner would get a right you as a non landowner may not do you have any real arguments for why this bill should not pass?
 
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There are plenty of guys that sacrifice and give their left nut to own a small 80 acre piece. Alot of those guys don't fill their LOT now and wouldn't fill it hunting Oct. 1 thru Jan. but would like an opportunity with the any season tag to be out hunting. They PAY THE TAXES, feed the "states" deer(intentional or unintentional), create the perfect habitat for all wildlife with hard work and mostly with their own coin, pay the interest on the land loan or lose the growth if it were in other investments and now, take the risk that CWD will greatly reduce their rec land value. I'd say they're entitled to one expanded LOT with no guilt.
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Yes. I agree.

And I will also add that as a landowner myself for the past 6 years or so I have filled my archery landowner tag a grand total of one time.

When I hunt my own property I feel much more invested and I have a much higher standard for what I put that tag on. I have passed several bucks that I would have and actually have tagged during the years I have hunted public land exclusively and even the past few years when I hunt both public and my own property.

Would making my tag good for additional seasons result on me filling it more? Maybe. It definitely isn't a certainty. I would still have high standards and my best guess is it may result in one extra buck every 5 years or so. I don't think that makes me an entitles glutton who wants all the deer to myself.

Like many of the changes that get so much opposition the actual effect would probably be minimal statewide. I'd bet more additional bucks were killed in just one the late January antlerless seasons we had for several years (when many bucks had shed) than would be killed by landowners over several seasons.
 
Ok so landowners are the only "true" whitetail enthusiasts. Non landowners will never understand the real love of deer hunting that landowners have. Unless you have land, pay taxes on it, you are not in the club. Also your opinion will not matter.
Ok so now we have made this clear, where do we draw the line for landowners? When is going to be too much? "Well I don't live by my land, or I'm busy with kids, or that's my busy time of yr." These are all excuses I hear, but they relate to everyone! Not just landowners. Once they pass this bill, what's next? As far as numbers of deer will get killed if this bill would pass, would probably be very minimal.
 
I've changed my mind. Where do I register to get one of these elitist tags
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Monsterbuck said:
Would making my tag good for additional seasons result on me filling it more? Maybe. It definitely isn't a certainty. I would still have high standards and my best guess is it may result in one extra buck every 5 years or so. I don't think that makes me an entitles glutton who wants all the deer to myself.
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Lots of fair points on both sides of this, but I'm going to disagree with your math. Far more than 20% will fill this tag if good for all season. Tons of people will be filling 3 tags if the 3rd tag is good all year long.

I see both sides of the argument. Quite frankly I wish we could just freeze ALL the rules the way they are for the next 50 years. The main issue I see with making LOT tags good all year is that I guarantee you that makes it one step away from giving everyone 2 tags and saying fill them whenever you want. I'm not good with that.
 
Monsterbuck said:
I guess I didn’t realize our conversation was not civil.

I applaud that you are saving for your own land and I hope that one day you do own your own land and understand the expense involved and realize that land ownership isn't about entitlement.

But, saving money isn't the same thing as being fanatically invested in a property. And doing favors for a landowner that allows you the use of his or her land isn't really without compensation.

Regardless of how you try to frame it you don't have a vested interest in this issue. So, outside of the argument that it's not fair to you that a landowner would get a right you as a non landowner may not do you have any real arguments for why this bill should not pass?
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I would say calling someone lazy and uninvolved starts to cross the civil line. Attacking someone takes the discussion across the line. No need to attack someone to make your point.
 
Rjack said:
I would say calling someone lazy and uninvolved starts to cross the civil line. Attacking someone takes the discussion across the line. No need to attack someone to make your point.
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You are correct, I apologize for crossing the line.
 
Transferable tags are never good for the deer herd.I don't care if you are in MO,KS or Okla.Kansas got rid of these years ago and no some crooked politician that runs a outfitter business is trying to get them back.There is only one reason people want them and that is for gain usually $$$.I am a landowner and sure I could shoot 2 bucks a year or sell the tag but how fair is it that I sell a tag for land other than my own.Maybe you could make them fair by requiring they are used on the land that the landowner gets them but there are still issues.
 
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I did it. What are you trying to say? It can’t be done?


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It can be done , no doubt. Im not doubting it . If deer is your thing and only your thing then you can do it. If you put your mind into it you can do it . Average person sure , maybe 40 maybe 80 acres, enough to shoot nice deer.... To me , too much in life happens. I want to hunt more than deer and more than 40 acres my whole life. If it takes owning my own farm to shoot a nice deer I will eventually and already have started moving on . Too much drama in a stupid brown goat, look at this thread - half of you think you own the deer bickering at your right to this and that. I was 12 years old when I watched my old man write a $36,000 payment on my moms cancer treatment. Life happens and changes fast.... you dont think my old man had some dreams that he wanted then shit happened ??? Id rather broaden my horizons - see more do more - experience more - than slave my life and my significant others and childrens to own ground to shoot a nice deer on in my backyard on some ground my neighbors may or may not respect when Im out of town on vacation (if I can afford it ) .
 
habitat24 said:
Transferable tags are never good for the deer herd.I don't care if you are in MO,KS or Okla.Kansas got rid of these years ago and no some crooked politician that runs a outfitter business is trying to get them back.There is only one reason people want them and that is for gain usually $$$.I am a landowner and sure I could shoot 2 bucks a year or sell the tag but how fair is it that I sell a tag for land other than my own.Maybe you could make them fair by requiring they are used on the land that the landowner gets them but there are still issues.
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I'm not sure where the topic of transferable tags came up. This doesn't have anything to do with transferable tsgs.
 
The thing is- it’s for the landowner. They cannot transfer it to anyone but themselves.


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