dbltree
Super Moderator
Clarification of rotation mixes
Some questions and confusion about the rotation often come up so I'll to clarify a bit, here's a picture of a plot we plant
Here's the suggested guidelines for the rotation
One question is "do the items in the rye mix get mixed together or each item in mix get planted in separate strips?" Let's break this down into three main elements of the rotation
1) Clover mix
2) Brassica mix
3) Rye mix
As noted on the aerial there are only those 3 mixes involved, no singular individual species.
1) Clover mix - these are very generalized guidelines and can be tweaked on an individual basis using common sense for your area. We do not use durana but someone in Georgia might. The key is to include white clover (if adapted to your area) in a portion of each plot. We plant the perimeter and odd corners but whatever ever works for you.
2) Brassica mix - the brassica mix makes up nearly 1/2 of each plot and the is not mixed with any other crop. The mix is inexpensive and performs well for us, but certainly other varieties will work.
3) Rye mix - this mix is just that... a mix that is planted together in the strips marked rye
Hopefully this answers questions but if not please ask
Some questions and confusion about the rotation often come up so I'll to clarify a bit, here's a picture of a plot we plant
Here's the suggested guidelines for the rotation
One question is "do the items in the rye mix get mixed together or each item in mix get planted in separate strips?" Let's break this down into three main elements of the rotation
1) Clover mix
2) Brassica mix
3) Rye mix
As noted on the aerial there are only those 3 mixes involved, no singular individual species.
1) Clover mix - these are very generalized guidelines and can be tweaked on an individual basis using common sense for your area. We do not use durana but someone in Georgia might. The key is to include white clover (if adapted to your area) in a portion of each plot. We plant the perimeter and odd corners but whatever ever works for you.
2) Brassica mix - the brassica mix makes up nearly 1/2 of each plot and the is not mixed with any other crop. The mix is inexpensive and performs well for us, but certainly other varieties will work.
3) Rye mix - this mix is just that... a mix that is planted together in the strips marked rye
Hopefully this answers questions but if not please ask
medicsnoke
Member
Took a walk through my rye/clover plot I planted last fall. The clover looks good and shows a lot of sign of browse. Forgot to take a actual picture of the field but here is a close up. Knowing I sowed the seeds makes me smile. Thanks Paul!
Paul,
Here's a few pics from our plots. Coming along great! I was really surprised to see how much clover was tucked in under the rye. It's a bit spotty in places, but I'm sure I'll be able to fill it in. This field was bulldozed from scrub cedar just about a year ago. To say I'm pleasantly surprised would be a gross understatement. Wouldn't have been possible without all the information I've learned here.
When would you recommend cutting the rye?
Thanks.
Steve
That winter rye is really amazing stuff. In this next pic, I had turnips on the right half of this entire field. They did OK, but not great due to the drought, so mid-September I broadcast a bag of WR into the standing turnips. To be honest with you, I had kind of forgotten about it, and expected that half of the field to be bare. Not so... !
And some Berseem / Oats that were planted last week right before a timely rain.
Here's a few pics from our plots. Coming along great! I was really surprised to see how much clover was tucked in under the rye. It's a bit spotty in places, but I'm sure I'll be able to fill it in. This field was bulldozed from scrub cedar just about a year ago. To say I'm pleasantly surprised would be a gross understatement. Wouldn't have been possible without all the information I've learned here.
When would you recommend cutting the rye?
Thanks.
Steve
That winter rye is really amazing stuff. In this next pic, I had turnips on the right half of this entire field. They did OK, but not great due to the drought, so mid-September I broadcast a bag of WR into the standing turnips. To be honest with you, I had kind of forgotten about it, and expected that half of the field to be bare. Not so... !
And some Berseem / Oats that were planted last week right before a timely rain.
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dbltree
Super Moderator
Discing is all that's required, we spray in late May and mow 1st of July. Rye makes outstanding fawning cover, if you mow earlier you'll kill fawns
dbltree
Super Moderator
May 9, 2014
The rye strips are lush and growing quickly now
Note the brassica strips are completely weed free thanks to the allelopathic effects of brassicas that inhibit germination of small seeds.
Rye has the same effect leaving the fall seeded clover also weed free
Not a weed in sight
Every field is the same
Jess is drilling oats and annual clovers in the brassica strips now
Rye keeps whitetails fat and happy from March until mid and then turns into incredible fawning habitat
As the rye matures and becomes unpalatable the clovers kick into high gear providing a source of high protein food. May and June are critical months for lactating does and antler development.
Corn and beans aren’t even up or not planted at all which means mediocre management at best.
We’ll plant whatever our clients want but eventually 98% ask us to plant the following:
The rye strips are lush and growing quickly now
Note the brassica strips are completely weed free thanks to the allelopathic effects of brassicas that inhibit germination of small seeds.
Rye has the same effect leaving the fall seeded clover also weed free
Not a weed in sight
Every field is the same
Jess is drilling oats and annual clovers in the brassica strips now
Rye keeps whitetails fat and happy from March until mid and then turns into incredible fawning habitat
As the rye matures and becomes unpalatable the clovers kick into high gear providing a source of high protein food. May and June are critical months for lactating does and antler development.
Corn and beans aren’t even up or not planted at all which means mediocre management at best.
We’ll plant whatever our clients want but eventually 98% ask us to plant the following:
EatSleepHunt
Active Member
winter rye question
I have 1acre of rye I planted last fall with clover.Half of the clover
is doing great other half spotty at best. The rye is about 2feet tall. I was going
To spray it with clethodim to kill the rye.leave half clover and disk in the
other half of the clover and plant brasicas in late summer. My question is
Will mowing kill the rye or do I need to spray it. Thanks.
I have 1acre of rye I planted last fall with clover.Half of the clover
is doing great other half spotty at best. The rye is about 2feet tall. I was going
To spray it with clethodim to kill the rye.leave half clover and disk in the
other half of the clover and plant brasicas in late summer. My question is
Will mowing kill the rye or do I need to spray it. Thanks.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Mowing will kill it along with any new fawns..... which is why we spray now to keep it from going to seed and mow early July
EatSleepHunt
Active Member
Mowing will kill it along with any new fawns..... which is why we spray now to keep it from going to seed and mow early July
Thanks! Next time I'll look a few post back! HaHa
I don't know what us wannabe foodploters would do without your knowledge!
rackhunter
Member
Will just spraying roundup kill Rye??
Thanks
Thanks
If I HAD to plant the crereal mix in the beg of August say the 10th, (only time it can be done) if it rained within a few days after, to make it more palatable for the deer should I mow it? and when should I mow it, Iv planted oats early before and once it got so tall the deer didnt touch it
dbltree
Super Moderator
You can mow if need be,not ideal but wait and see if it is necessary first
Yes! At least it did a great job at my place. Went back the next weekend and it was all dead!
Steve
dbltree
Super Moderator
12-16 ounces clethodim
6-8 ounces gly
1 qt crop oil
per acre
You must calibrate your sprayer to know how much water it applies per acre
Clink on the link to figure out calibrating sprayer
http://www.gemplers.com/tech/calibration.htm
http://www.gemplers.com/tech/calibration.htm
dbltree
Super Moderator
May 29th, 2014
Nice to have options especially when it comes to herbicides and the rotation we use can be successful with or without herbicides.
We prefer to let rye get semi mature for maximum soil benefits and outstanding fawning cover
The winter rye is heading out but but not yet setting viable seed, it has achieved maximum height and root growth and does are having fawns it. At this point we can't mow without killing fawns so we terminate the rye with a herbicide mix that won't kill the white or red clover growing with the rye
Note the white clover perimeter which we spray right along with the rye, the brassica strip has been no-till drilled to oats and annual clovers
The other option is to terminate the rye by mowing earlier before fawns are born roughly May 15th here
We don't want the rye to go to seed if following it with brassicas or the ensuing carpet of rye with smother the brassicas
In this case we no-tilled berseem and crimson clovers because the red clover failed due to last falls drought
If going back to the rye mix or leaving it in clover you may choose to leave it standing so there are options for everyone
Nice to have options especially when it comes to herbicides and the rotation we use can be successful with or without herbicides.
We prefer to let rye get semi mature for maximum soil benefits and outstanding fawning cover
The winter rye is heading out but but not yet setting viable seed, it has achieved maximum height and root growth and does are having fawns it. At this point we can't mow without killing fawns so we terminate the rye with a herbicide mix that won't kill the white or red clover growing with the rye
Note the white clover perimeter which we spray right along with the rye, the brassica strip has been no-till drilled to oats and annual clovers
The other option is to terminate the rye by mowing earlier before fawns are born roughly May 15th here
We don't want the rye to go to seed if following it with brassicas or the ensuing carpet of rye with smother the brassicas
In this case we no-tilled berseem and crimson clovers because the red clover failed due to last falls drought
If going back to the rye mix or leaving it in clover you may choose to leave it standing so there are options for everyone