NR party hunting to be eliminated

[Earnhardt]

I've heard the original purpose of party hunting was population control. Population control is managed thru doe harvest quotas.

Party hunting evolved to be a loophole for some people to buck hunt every year. Sitting in different parts of farm (or maybe not even around), paying people for tags, etc etc was never the intent.

Perhaps limiting party hunting to doe only is fine and solves many concerns

I agree with the last statement. You could let nonresident antler less tag holders purchase over-the-counter tags, like a resident Hunter can.
That nonresident antlerless tag holder, would not, could not party hunt on a resident hunters buck tag. But they could shoot multiple does with bonus tags that could be purchased by the nonresident antler tag holder.

 

[Windlooker]

It’s unenforceable. The party has the tags. A check happens. The guy on the tag is gonna say he shot the deer. Completely toothless.

 

[Thinkin Rut]

Instead of tweaking, abolishing and creating laws slanted towards the trophy hunter, we need to keep and create laws for the betterment the herd as a whole and let the chips fall as they may.

 

[YtailFreak]

Its a step in the right direction. I'm in favor of party hunting going away for residents as well.

The NR rifle/shotgunners that have been able to come to Iowa and take advantage of the loophole now have to wait their turn to shoot a buck like all of the other NR's. BooHoo They can still come here to group hunt and take in the deer camp experience. Shoot their doe and tag their doe. Thats how it should be. Your deer, your tag. Period.

 

[CottonwoodCanyon]

Whoever made this decision better not hunt other states ? Hypocrites. Put a 3 or 5 year wait on that Dipshi# out of state hunting plans. Elk, deer, bear—nope you get an extra 3 or 5 year wait . Sorry buddy eye for an eye !

If he fishes in Minnesota, he can only keep Carp !!

That's already the way it is...try to go hunt an elk or mule deer in any state without waiting 3-20 years...

At first glance, I don't mind at all that they are closing this loophole. Yes, there are people "selling" their resident tags to NRs using this loophole legally or illegally. That's some BS. Everyone should have to shoot their own tag IMO. I get the "tradition" of party hunting in IA but that shouldn't extend to NR when there's a 2-3 year wait for the average guy.

There's always unintended consequences but I don't see this impacting NR landownership much. Even in the highest point zones 4-6, a NR can gun hunt on their own tag every other year. Sure Kansas, northern MO, IL, etc are still options for every year hunting, but it isn't Iowa. People with money will still want to own Iowa ground and hunt Iowa deer.

 

[Windlooker]

Stop with the elk, mule deer comparison. Not even close to being the same. Where are of those who always say rules are rules when you bought. For decades party hunting with nrs was fine. Now it’s not. Really. Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Hardwood11]

That's already the way it is...try to go hunt an elk or mule deer in any state without waiting 3-20 years...

At first glance, I don't mind at all that they are closing this loophole. Yes, there are people "selling" their resident tags to NRs using this loophole legally or illegally. That's some BS. Everyone should have to shoot their own tag IMO. I get the "tradition" of party hunting in IA but that shouldn't extend to NR when there's a 2-3 year wait for the average guy.

There's always unintended consequences but I don't see this impacting NR landownership much. Even in the highest point zones 4-6, a NR can gun hunt on their own tag every other year. Sure Kansas, northern MO, IL, etc are still options for every year hunting, but it isn't Iowa. People with money will still want to own Iowa ground and hunt Iowa deer.

I meant extra 3-5 years. I bet they might think twice about the fact that they hunt in other states— I was being sarcastic! . It’s ridiculous I mean yeah Iowa has good deer hunting, but it’s deer . It’s not elk, bear, caribou. More deer have died from EHD in ONE year on my farm and the neighbors farm—than either one of us have tagged in the past 5 years!

 

[IowaBowHunter1983]

I meant extra 3-5 years. I bet they might think twice about the fact that they hunt in other states— I was being sarcastic! . It’s ridiculous I mean yeah Iowa has good deer hunting, but it’s deer . It’s not elk, bear, caribou. More deer have died from EHD in ONE year on my farm and the neighbors farm—than either one of us have tagged in the past 5 years!

Why are elk, bear, or caribou on a pedestal above deer? Guess not in my book.

 

[Hardwood11]

The simple answer would be numbers!
I’ll use Minnesota as an example -

Bear: 18,000 approximate
Deer: 600,000+

 

[IowaBowHunter1983]

The simple answer would be numbers!
I’ll use Minnesota as an example -

Bear: 18,000 approximate
Deer: 600,000+

Mature giants... rare rare bread. Just like elk or bear or whatever

 

[Windlooker]

Deer hunting is not about giants for most , that’s what some here want to make it. There’s more to hunting than mature trophies. My nephew was going to party hunt this year and maybe shoot his first buck. Trophy to him. Not now. Is this site Iowa Trophy Whitetail or Iowa Whitetail.

 

[Windlooker]

Guys, I’ve been here for 21 years as a NR and a R. It’s hard online because we don’t see or know each other very well. We all get passionate about certain things and I understand. I’m wrong a lot but I consider myself well educated, schooled and try to understand other points of view. At times I’ve stood my ground and on others I’ve changed my thoughts.

This change isn’t right and is not needed in the overall scheme of things. It doesn’t feel right and I would love to know the driver behind it. I think there will be collateral issues that stem from this.

 

[IowaBowHunter1983]

Deer hunting is not about giants for most , that’s what some here want to make it. There’s more to hunting than mature trophies. My nephew was going to party hunt this year and maybe shoot his first buck. Trophy to him. Not now. Is this site Iowa Trophy Whitetail or Iowa Whitetail.

So put in for a gun tag. He'll draw it by next year. No big deal.

If he wants to shoot a buck THIS year pick a state.

 

[newfarmer]

Deer hunting is not about giants for most , that’s what some here want to make it. There’s more to hunting than mature trophies. My nephew was going to party hunt this year and maybe shoot his first buck. Trophy to him. Not now. Is this site Iowa Trophy Whitetail or Iowa Whitetail.

Well remember, it was already the law, just now cleaned up and essentially dug out from hiding. I dont think any of us here

Guys, I’ve been here for 21 years as a NR and a R. It’s hard online because we don’t see or know each other very well. We all get passionate about certain things and I understand. I’m wrong a lot but I consider myself well educated, schooled and try to understand other points of view. At times I’ve stood my ground and on others I’ve changed my thoughts.

This change isn’t right and is not needed in the overall scheme of things. It doesn’t feel right and I would love to know the driver behind it. I think there will be collateral issues that stem from this.

i don’t think there is a driver per say- I think they’ve just simply cleaned up the law that has already been in place. (How I’ve been reading along anyway)

 

[Windlooker]

1983, really, pick a state. He watched all the Iowa video stars shoot their deer and has been told legally he can come hunt with me when he’s ready. People like you have habitat businesses that grow Iowa deer, post them all over the web further show casing the state. Oh , but don’t come here. What bullshit. You’re a total hypocrite.

 

[Windlooker]

There’s a driver. Cleaning up the law is the bs you’re being fed for the change. I feel like I’m being talked to by the Biden campaign. Don’t be naive. Nobody wants to answer why now? There’s a reason. It’ll come out.

My CO responded to me saying this is a done deal. No NR party hunting. Will be published in the regs around the end of the NR application deadline.

 

[Sligh1]

There’s a driver. Cleaning up the law is the bs you’re being fed for the change. I feel like I’m being talked to by the Biden campaign. Don’t be naive. Nobody wants to answer why now? There’s a reason. It’ll come out.

My CO responded to me saying this is a done deal. No NR party hunting. Will be published in the regs around the end of the NR application deadline.

So- here’s loose explanation I got so far…. There’s a PILE of laws & regs that were not clear in the regs. Some will like or hate many of them. Many don’t have anything to do with deer hunting. Governor requested all laws that were not spelled out correctly, get corrected So- I don’t think this deer hunting one was actually a target or had a push behind it. There’s a huge pile of laws that have been on the books & not written right. After I heard this - makes me think there very well might not be a hidden agenda here. The list of other laws clarified is pretty large. If someone wanted “someone to blame” …. Based on this- it would trace back to when party hunting got legalized. The verbiage way back then was for R’s only. We are now taking countless laws that did not get implemented correctly & had a governor ask to update & correct them. I suppose u could fault the governor but it was not this topic that triggered the request for clarifications.
This is how I understand the “how & why” thus far.

I agree with anyone’s statement as to debating or asking “what’s best for the resource?” & that is a debate we can have. IMHO- if the NR can’t party hunt, I personally would like to see it go to the Residents as well. Our herd or resource is degraded substantially vs 10 or 20 years ago. How we go about fixing it is a long discussion of course. On this issue- I fully empathize with any view on it & id simply ask that u try to understand how & why this happened so it doesn’t pit us against each other when both sides had zero to do with this outcome. No one is to blame: good or bad. Period.

 

[Windlooker]

Thank you for trying to clarify. I’m being cynical but how can a rule say R only for party hunting be interpreted to include NR. I’d love to see the verbiage. That said it is what it is. I did ask my CO why this is happening now, he won’t answer.

 

[Obsessed]

I'll believe it when I officially see it in writing.

If true, I believe that stating NRs can't party hunt at all is better than stating that they can party hunt, but that they are required to fill only their own tag(s). Too many times during party hunts, the same guy gets all of the mature bucks in front of him, and only him. It would be a liability to me and the rest of my party to have restrictions placed on who in the party can shoot what sex deer and number of deer, based off of their personal tags in possession. That's what makes it party hunting. The ability to pool and fill tags as a collective group.

A dude that only has a doe tag, that only he can fill, won't be hunting in my party, because the chance a nice buck walks 20 yards in front of him is extremely high, and he won't be able to shoot it. It would be like having a teammate standing under the basket that's only allowed to shoot three pointers. You're better off not even having him on the floor. He's more of a liability than a benefit.

Screw with the ability to pool / fill party tags and there's no incentive to group hunt.

I'm personally a strong supporter of the party hunting practice. It's been around much longer than solo hunting practices.

 

[scottonbuck]

Most if not all party hunting laws were established long before they allowed NR to hunt in Iowa. Back before hunting and trophy deer hunting became a thing, guys got together 1 or 2 weekends a year and shot deer. Working together to fill tags as deer were not nearly as abundant back then, I can remember it was a big deal as a resident if you drew an anysex tag as opposed to buck only.