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Changing the crossbow season?

teeroy said:
from an email i recieved from the owner of an archery shop....

Stick bow hunter said " Guy told me he shot this giant at 30 yards with his compound bow that he held at full draw for a whole minute. Does that sound like archery hunting to you? "


I want to know...... Has anyone ever welcomed change?????

Like I said in the LAST crossbow post. If you are against cross bows cause you don't want more hunters say it. NOT this other whiny BS

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Stick bow hunter said " Guy told me he shot this giant at 30 yards with his compound bow that he held at full draw for a whole minute. Does that sound like archery hunting to you? "

I want to know...... Has anyone ever welcomed change?????

Like I said in the LAST crossbow post. If you are against cross bows cause you don't want more hunters say it. NOT this other whiny BS

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I dont want more hunters.
 
They are coming, I promise you, I would bet they will try and put them in the archery season within the next two years.

That equals more pressure on the resource, guess what that equals.
 
I dont want more hunters.


I do. Have you guys looked at the number hunters over the last 10 year? Our numbers are dwindling. More hunters (who cares what kind) means more people at the ballot box who share my pass times. It could also expand the pool of volunteers for habitat improvement projects.
 
. It could also expand the pool of volunteers for habitat improvement projects.
Improvement projects on what???? I don't see the amount of public land increasing and it is pizpounded as it is with the current number of hunters.
 
Selfish behavior gentlemen.

It's increasing hunter numbers. Yep it's more pressure, yep more idiots, but this is the same argument when inline muzzleloaders hit, when compounds were invented.

It's amazing to me how pissed off people get. There is absolutely no point in fighting this. It's going to happen and people might as well embrace it.

For the record, Im a diehard compound hunter and I don't like the thought of it, but I'm well aware it's stupid to fight against increasing our sport.
 
I have nothing against them, but they belong in gun season, they are not part of archery, I could dress up like a duck, but I still would not be a duck.
 
Selfish behavior gentlemen.

It's increasing hunter numbers. Yep it's more pressure, yep more idiots, but this is the same argument when inline muzzleloaders hit, when compounds were invented.

It's amazing to me how pissed off people get. There is absolutely no point in fighting this. It's going to happen and people might as well embrace it.

For the record, Im a diehard compound hunter and I don't like the thought of it, but I'm well aware it's stupid to fight against increasing our sport.

Crossbows did not increase hunter numbers in Michigan, they simply shifted hunters from gun season to archery season.

The rail cars on the way to Dachau were full of people who thought their fate was inevitable. Nonarchery equipment in Iowa’s archery only season is not inevitable.
 
Crossbows did not increase hunter numbers in Michigan, they simply shifted hunters from gun season to archery season.

The rail cars on the way to Dachau were full of people who thought their fate was inevitable. Nonarchery equipment in Iowa’s archery only season is not inevitable.

7 pages in and we finally made the first Nazi reference. Yes, the Holocaust is totally akin to crossbows.

Personally, i don't care if you want to kill a deer with a crossbow during archery season. If it adds thousands of potential hunters that would not previously participate, I'm all for it. Guys that might not hunt gun season because public land is so crowded or that have misconceptions that it's a wild fest could pick up a crossbow and go out and enjoy an October or November day.

My beef with anyone against it is that those opposing it are the same ones that don't want more non-residents, they want LESS gun seasons, they want to do away with party hunting, they want more deer for themselves and htey want to get rid of deer drives. It's disgusting. I'm not saying I'm the model on which on all hunters should be based, but I spend a lot of my hunting seasons taking other people out. I don't mind sharing information with hunters new to the area or sport. I have hundreds of acres of the best ground in the continent to hunt whitetails and I'm just as happy seeing somebody in my group shoot a big one. I pushed a 160" to my dad this year and I was as happy for him as if it was myself. Too many of you are so caught up with this idea that you DESERVE to shoot a big buck, that every big buck you see is YOURS and if somebody doesn't hunt it the way you do, be damned. All you guys shooting brand new Mathews and Hoyt bows, guess what? 50 years ago, longbow and recurve shooters were saying the same thing about your equipment. Remember when you couldnt enter a deer in P&Y without an asterisk if your left-off was greater than 65%??

I'm so sick of what hunting has become. I see it with our neighbors every year, I see it with other hunters. Most of you are so selfish you don't care about the future of the sport, you don't care that the fork horn some 30 year old guy shoots on a drive makes him as happy as the 150" buck you shoot with your bow during October. I have to deal with neighbors that harass every person that comes down "their" public gravel road every summer because they're protecting "their" deer. That's exactly what's wrong with hunting and you're ruining it for the guy that wants to go out and just enjoy being out there. it's the same with you people that are rabidly anti-crossbow. So somebody whacks a 170" with a crossbow? BIG DEAL. They're hunting. They're in the woods enjoying themselves.

is it the fact they're using a crossbow that makes you mad, or is the fact you might not shoot as big of buck as them? that's what this boils down to and either way, this boils down to pure jealousy.


Forgot to add: YOU HAVE A MUZZLELOADER SEASON IN OCTOBER AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A FEW GUYS WITH CROSSBOWS?

Even since I've become a resident, you Iowa boys make me shake my head with your logic every single day.
 
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Crossbows did not increase hunter numbers in Michigan, they simply shifted hunters from gun season to archery season.

The rail cars on the way to Dachau were full of people who thought their fate was inevitable. Nonarchery equipment in Iowa’s archery only season is not inevitable.

Why would we want more hunters in the archery season? With crossbows!!!!!! You work for the DNR or what? Think they are gonna join the IBA?? Since your on the board I guess your hoping!! :thrwrck: Fact is probably 1/3 of the bowhunters in Iowa belong to the IBA! That is probably a stretch!! Is that way! Has always been that way!! If your comparing Iowa bowhunters to Jews in Nazi Germany!!!!!!!! :mad: Are you kidding Me????
 
since I've become a resident, you Iowa boys make me shake my head with your logic every single day.

Apparently your not shaking your head that hard! Cause you can always move back to where you came from!!!!!!! And your not doing that! Now are you????????? :confused:
 
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Being sick of what hunting has come to is about trophy hunting. Trying to prevent crossbows only makes sense for trophy hunters. That doesn't make sense.
 
Why would we want more hunters in the archery season? With crossbows!!!!!! You work for the DNR or what? Think they are gonna join the IBA?? Since your on the board I guess your hoping!! :thrwrck: Fact is probably 1/3 of the bowhunters in Iowa belong to the IBA! That is probably a stretch!! Is that way! Has always been that way!! If your comparing Iowa bowhunters to Jews in Nazi Germany!!!!!!!! :mad: Are you kidding Me????

The Dachau reference was a bit out there and I apologize to any one I may have offended. Perhaps I made the oft fatal blunder of underestimating the audience. I was merely try to say don’t give in to what some may see as inevitable.
Perhaps Winston Churchill’s quote would have been more apt: “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in….”
The first time I remember seeing this quote it was on a small sign on the entrance to the tub room in a burn unit. Not that this is germane to the issue at hand, but it has stuck with me ever since. The courage of the human spirit remarkable.
So Crockett, what are you trying to say? Perhaps it is obvious to some but not me. Help a guy out and try to explain your position on nonarchery equipment in archery only season. What is obvious is your disdain for all things IBA which is OK. I get that, but I’m not following much of anything else.
 
Next would be actual educated thoughts instead of shallow chatter that is nothing more than weak minded ignorance.

Crossbows are not bows just as much as your compound wasn't a bow 30 years ago, sights were cheating, releases were bad, let offs got an *. The list goes on.

These attacks are nothing more than people masking their real concerns. It's a selfish attitude and a mindset that a "bowhunter" is better than a "crossbow" hunter. Just as bowhunters look down upon gun hunters.

Two major components here:

Trophy hunting mentality
I'm better than you because I use this weapon mentality

I have said this so many times. You have to evaluate things from the other persons perspective. Use quality arguments to make points and defend your position. Not childish negativity with no backbone.
 
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Being sick of what hunting has come to is about trophy hunting. Trying to prevent crossbows only makes sense for trophy hunters. That doesn't make sense.

What hunting has become is anything for a buck (money or animal). It is about product placement, it is about hype, it is about beating your chest. Clearly not all hunters are like that, but that is the direction, in my opinion, that hunting is moving.
 
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