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Everybody with half a brain on here should know the difference between group hunting and party hunting by now. What many do not understand is that by eliminating party hunting you effectively eliminate group hunting in a huge portion of the state. 1/3 to 1/2 of the state does not have any or many antlerless tags available. How the laws are currently, anybody in a group would be completely done hunting as soon as their anysex tag is filled in those areas without the current party hunting laws. This pretty much gets rid of group hunting for all of these people if we only get rid of party hunting and make no other changes.


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I don't know about that. It's been years since I did any group hunting but when I did, we were buck only. We also wouldn't have dreamed of giving our tags up to anyone else. Shooting and tagging our own deer wasn't an issue at all. Guys with full tags would hunt coyotes or pheasants while pushing.
 
I don't know about that. It's been years since I did any group hunting but when I did, we were buck only. We also wouldn't have dreamed of giving our tags up to anyone else. Shooting and tagging our own deer wasn't an issue at all. Guys with full tags would hunt coyotes or pheasants while pushing.

Good point. I wish it was as easy as saying tagless members of the group were just coyote hunting. We had extensive conversations with the DNR about this when it came to non residents in our group that can no longer party hunt.. long story short since they can not party hunt once their tag was used they absolutely could not have any part of the group deer hunting even tho they had valid hunting licenses and even furbearers licenses for the coyotes(required for non-res) Under the current laws they were still very much deer hunting if they were with the group. Basically they just chose not to shoot anything until the last day. The same would apply in the future if the current no party hunting laws applied to residents. Even tho you guys were pheasant or coyote hunting the laws made it perfectly legal for you to be deer hunting too. Of course there were some grey areas from the few wardens we talked to but either way tickets were going to be issued and it was going to have to be worked out in court.

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I heard a relevant anecdote on podcast the other day. A guy that has hunted the Amana Colonies ground, which I believe is over 20,000 acres, said they made it one buck per hunter about 20 years ago. He said there used to be a number over 170 taken every season prior to one buck. He believes it's because of high grading. With one tag, guys now wait until a good one shows up, which is often a 3 or 4 years old with potential, and let the "managment" bucks walk. Back in the day they would take a management buck knowing they could still hunt. Interesting......
This is exactly why we shouldn’t decrease buck tags available. He is 100% correct.

The herd is and has been being high graded for 20 years driven by the big buck craze. That will only worsen going to a one buck State because nobody will want to burn their only buck tag on a cull.

It has always been my belief that there is typically one stud genetic buck in each age class for every 1000 acres give or take in southern Iowa. By that I mean a buck that has the potential to break 180” by age five or six. Problem is if you own less than 1000 acres it is hard to keep any particular buck on your property during the entire hunting season.

For example, let’s say you and your kid hunt on a 200 acre parcel that you own and manage and there are five parcels of 200 acres including yours making up a 1000 acre block. Each parcel has 2 guys hunting on them. That is 10 guys total hunting the 1000 acre block. Let’s say you got a 2 1/2 year old that blew into a stud 160” at 3 1/2 year old. Let’s say that stud has to make it for 2 full seasons (3 1/2 & 4 1/2) to reach his full potential and see his fifth birthday.

Even if those guys only got one buck tag per year the bucks chances of making it to his fifth birthday are slim at best because of box blinds and food plots. I would say his odds are even better to survive if each guy got two or three buck tags. This is because most guys are more willing to take an old lower scoring buck if they know they can get another tag and still hunt for their target buck. Cull bucks pushing young stud bucks off to neighboring properties to be shot happens all the time. If your stud 3 1/2 year old 160” keeps getting push from piece to piece to piece by bully culls he won’t set up a small home range and his odds of surviving go down drastically.

You have to be able to take out cull bucks to get your stud buck to shrink his home range and stay put. Guys will not shoot culls when they have a target buck they are after without the potential for a second tag. They will eat that tag before they shoot a cull which just leads to cull bucks living longer and breeding more than your better genetic bucks and ultimately poor genetics being passed on. Ultimately, high grading the herd.

So unless you can buy 1000 acres or get all your neighbors in your 1000 acre block on board to pass certain bucks and take culls your chances of shooting 180’s consistently or at all in any 1000 acre block come down more to luck than management. That is just the facts. As disappointing as it is you need to realize what you are up against.

I would even say giving out 3 buck tags to every hunter would lead to more top end bucks being killed. Why do I say that? The reasons listed above. All you have to do is look back to our glory days 2000-2005 the buck to doe ratio was probably 1 buck to 7-10 does in most areas. More does lead to less competition and smaller home ranges for bucks. As our buck to doe ratio has decreased to closer to 1:3 means more competition and bucks traveling further during the rut. As a bucks home range increases his chance of seeing his fifth birthday decrease to almost zero if he has good head gear.

FB and the insurance lobby won’t allow us to get the population back to 2005 levels so we have to do what we can to increase the population as best we can. We also have to be able to remove cull bucks by having multiple buck tags if you want to see high end bucks make it to 5 1/2 and prevent high grading Iowa even more.

If you want to keep Iowa great do not push for Iowa to go to a one buck State. It will do the exact opposite of what you think it will. Just like they saw happen in the 20,000 acre Amana Colonies.
 
I look at that as us bowhunters already get all the prime times to hunt. I think it's fair that the gun hunters don't have to share their season with us too.
The only thing is they are sharing it with me anyway. I have a valid gun tag. I will be sitting in a stand with a gun. Why can’t I use my bow which is a lesser weapon?
 
The only thing is they are sharing it with me anyway. I have a valid gun tag. I will be sitting in a stand with a gun. Why can’t I use my bow which is a lesser weapon?

I think the overall goal is to limit who is sharing it. There are people who will not go out during the gun season and only want to bow hunt. One less person out there than there could be.. a lessor point is you already had your chance. Think of a scenario where one generous landowner lets one guy bow hunt his land and somebody else gets to gun hunt it.. what gives in that situation? Is the bowhunter going to try to get permission for the whole year now? He already had several months…. If you really want to hunt during the gun seasons buy a gun tag and use a gun. It’s way more effective anyway and way easier to do than changing laws.


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The only thing is they are sharing it with me anyway. I have a valid gun tag. I will be sitting in a stand with a gun. Why can’t I use my bow which is a lesser weapon?
I get your point, it wouldn't be the end of the world to allow gun tags to be filled with a bow. On the other hand, us bowhunters are extremely blessed with a generous season in Iowa. Maybe just let sleeping dogs lie;).
 
I get your point, it wouldn't be the end of the world to allow gun tags to be filled with a bow. On the other hand, us bowhunters are extremely blessed with a generous season in Iowa. Maybe just let sleeping dogs lie;).
I believe it’s more than likely an “old” safety precaution. My grandpa always told me when he started hunting deer (he hunted the first seasons) that he could barely hit a milk jig at 50 yards. I’m assuming deer drives were more dangerous. Today- I agree- I’d prefer to use my bow versus gun on my own ground. But I enjoy the break from bowhunting (but I’m also an evil guy who wants to end Deer season Dec 31)
 
I believe it’s more than likely an “old” safety precaution. My grandpa always told me when he started hunting deer (he hunted the first seasons) that he could barely hit a milk jig at 50 yards. I’m assuming deer drives were more dangerous. Today- I agree- I’d prefer to use my bow versus gun on my own ground. But I enjoy the break from bowhunting (but I’m also an evil guy who wants to end Deer season Dec 31)

Haha. Even as bad as all these arguments get I don’t think anybody is or intends to be evil but i hear ya!! I used to support ending the season December 31st too but then I was the asshole when I realized I worked with a bunch of people who work in ag retail and those poor guys basically only had January 1-10 off to hunt because of field work all fall and pre pay season for ag inputs. Crazy how many people fall into that category in this state. I sure heard about it when i brought it up to a large group of them once.

Edit: not criticizing your opinion to close it January 1st. In a perfect world i would support that too! Just be sure to know your audience better than I did back then. ;)


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Haha. Even as bad as all these arguments get I don’t think anybody is or intends to be evil but i hear ya!! I used to support ending the season December 31st too but then I was the asshole when I realized I worked with a bunch of people who work in ag retail and those poor guys basically only had January 1-10 off to hunt because of field work all fall and pre pay season for ag inputs. Crazy how many people fall into that category in this state. I sure heard about it when i brought it up to a large group of them once.

Edit: not criticizing your opinion to close it January 1st. In a perfect world i would support that too! Just be sure to know your audience better than I did back then. ;)


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I farm- I get it, my cousins all work at elevators. A lot of people love late muzzy- myself absolutely included. From an animal health and stress standpoint, end Dec 31st. 10 days of extra stress are detrimental on deer after a long hard rut and gun seasons.
 
Haha. Even as bad as all these arguments get I don’t think anybody is or intends to be evil but i hear ya!! I used to support ending the season December 31st too but then I was the asshole when I realized I worked with a bunch of people who work in ag retail and those poor guys basically only had January 1-10 off to hunt because of field work all fall and pre pay season for ag inputs. Crazy how many people fall into that category in this state. I sure heard about it when i brought it up to a large group of them once.

Edit: not criticizing your opinion to close it January 1st. In a perfect world i would support that too! Just be sure to know your audience better than I did back then. ;)


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But I should also add- we have 5 groups that group hunt late muzzy in my area- if we could ban group hunting (for everything except shotgun) then keep it until the 10th. They push and push up here in farm country
 
I farm- I get it, my cousins all work at elevators. A lot of people love late muzzy- myself absolutely included. From an animal health and stress standpoint, end Dec 31st. 10 days of extra stress are detrimental on deer after a long hard rut and gun seasons.

I totally agree with you!! This is strictly for arguments sake and debating a compromise for their argument. I realize calendar date is hard to change( January 1st is still obliviously Jan 1 when it comes to ag retail. We are obviously not changing tax year) but length of seasons etc…. Would you support moving all the gun seasons up a week or two to accommodate ending the season January 1st? Or do the late bow seasons and late muzzleloader seasons just get shortened? I honestly have no dog in this fight. Just wondering what most think


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But I should also add- we have 5 groups that group hunt late muzzy in my area- if we could ban group hunting (for everything except shotgun) then keep it until the 10th. They push and push up here in farm country

Also agree but some have made the argument that they don’t want to ban group hunting during the shotgun seasons but want to ban party hunting. When it comes to late muzzy they are group hunting and not party hunting already since that is not legal. I understand what you are saying totally!!! But others are begging to ban group hunting during the regular shotgun seasons and disguising it by saying they just want to ban party hunting. Not necessarily on here… just in general. All just really hard to legislate/enforce! I agree when is enough enough!! What do we do? Shorten the late season or shorten all seasons? Tough call


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I would even say giving out 3 buck tags to every hunter would
OK, Let's extrapolate that a bit. If 3 is better than 1, then 5 is better than 3, and 8 is better than 5. Should we go ahead with 8 buck tags for everyone?

I think you make a mistake assuming everyone will manage the resources as you would. Your logic may be right for you and your land, but sad fact is Facebook horn porn has given the mindset of "take whatever I can get" for way too many.

A few weeks ago, Skip posted up some cull buck pics. I remember thinking those are "buck of a lifetime" for a lot of guys.

We’ll climb into one of my box blinds at 3:30 pm and by 5:30 pm they can have one laying on the ground.
Maybe you should be railroading against box blinds? All the nature you claim to experience... isn't there so much more when you're actually sitting in a tree and not shooting out a window?

Hey, to each their own. Whatever trip your trigger, but it doesn't make your neighbor stupid just because he has different goals than you.

You want everyone to agree with you on management, the first step is to agree on the goal. Then we can figure out how to get there. No common goal, (next to impossible) no regs that everyone is going to like. Someone is always going to get piss in their Cheerios.
 
It’s pretty eye opening how far apart we as deer hunters are on agreeing there’s problems with what is going on today in Iowa and our deer herd.

I think some of you forget the Oceans have become vacated of species of fish due to over harvesting. None of us have ever harvested a wild American Buffalo. Majority of our fish in our local lakes are stocked merely to be caught and kept to consume. The deer herd in Iowa is delicate, and the fact some of you would rather be forced into doing something vs accepting we do not have the deer we did 10 years ago, and being proactive to save it. It blows my mind what social media, greed, trophy hunting , the term “Booner” and just antlers in general have all done to our sport.

At the end of the day, when we are long gone and our bodies are nothing but bones in the ground; our kids won’t give 2 sh**s about the antlers we left hanging on our wall.
 
It’s pretty eye opening how far apart we as deer hunters are on agreeing there’s problems with what is going on today in Iowa and our deer herd.

I think some of you forget the Oceans have become vacated of species of fish due to over harvesting. None of us have ever harvested a wild American Buffalo. Majority of our fish in our local lakes are stocked merely to be caught and kept to consume. The deer herd in Iowa is delicate, and the fact some of you would rather be forced into doing something vs accepting we do not have the deer we did 10 years ago, and being proactive to save it. It blows my mind what social media, greed, trophy hunting , the term “Booner” and just antlers in general have all done to our sport.

At the end of the day, when we are long gone and our bodies are nothing but bones in the ground; our kids won’t give 2 sh**s about the antlers we left hanging on our wall.

Yep!! I couldn’t care less about the antlers on the wall but I will always remember the times out hunting and the people I was out hunting with. Have been totally blessed to hunt with great people in my life. Generous people! People that let me hunt with them even tho they really didn’t have to! That is the real trophy. Those will always be the most important things! The people and the experiences. Not the antlers. (Not that I don’t like those too! Lol) I’d hate to do anything that would limit that for anyone! I even enjoyed hunting with you back in the day! Now I just have to hunt with your little bro! ;)


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It’s pretty eye opening how far apart we as deer hunters are on agreeing there’s problems with what is going on today in Iowa and our deer herd.

I think some of you forget the Oceans have become vacated of species of fish due to over harvesting. None of us have ever harvested a wild American Buffalo. Majority of our fish in our local lakes are stocked merely to be caught and kept to consume. The deer herd in Iowa is delicate, and the fact some of you would rather be forced into doing something vs accepting we do not have the deer we did 10 years ago, and being proactive to save it. It blows my mind what social media, greed, trophy hunting , the term “Booner” and just antlers in general have all done to our sport.

At the end of the day, when we are long gone and our bodies are nothing but bones in the ground; our kids won’t give 2 sh**s about the antlers we left hanging on our wall.
Can you expand on that ? I thought the first half of your comment made sense, then you added in trophy hunting & antlers to the reason things have gone downhill?

How have hunters being more selective or passing up bucks hurt hunting, as opposed to shooting the first deer you see, or brown it’s down ? Just curious …
 
If you guys want real change or to keep things the same, IBA just sent out their first Week 1 Legislative Update. Time to start paying attention and contacting your legislators.

Lots of good comments and suggestions have been made. I personally think we are on the down hill slide of deer hunting in Iowa (for the general public) and there really isn't anything we can do that will make it go back which stinks.

Hunters being more selective and passing bucks high grades things for sure. If I pass a 5.5 year old 110 inch 8 point but shoot the 150 inch 3.5 year old, ultimately that doesn't do the herd any good.
 
Also agree but some have made the argument that they don’t want to ban group hunting during the shotgun seasons but want to ban party hunting. When it comes to late muzzy they are group hunting and not party hunting already since that is not legal. I understand what you are saying totally!!! But others are begging to ban group hunting during the regular shotgun seasons and disguising it by saying they just want to ban party hunting. Not necessarily on here… just in general. All just really hard to legislate/enforce! I agree when is enough enough!! What do we do? Shorten the late season or shorten all seasons? Tough call


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What do we do? Leave the seasons dates alone. They have been what they are for 30 years. Nobody was complaining about quality 30 years ago, they weren’t complaining 20 years ago, even 10 years years ago people were more worried about declining population after the antlerless season debacle than the quality.

As far as weather, we had way worse winters two - three decades ago compared to what we have had in the last 10-15 years. We have barely had measurable snow in most of Iowa during the entire hunting season this year. So I am not buying the deer herd is stressed. Especially with more acres of food plots being left every year.

Again, our season length and number of buck tags available are not affecting quality. Which is why people seem to think we need to be changing things.

I will say if you shorten the season and move gun season into November you will really be crying about your buck quality in a couple years.

Everyone needs to just take a deep breath. Quit panicking. We just had EHD whack the herd in many areas and significant numbers of deer died. It sucks. I get it.

Changing the regulations won’t make the herd rebound any faster. The only thing we can push for is decreased doe quotas in the counties affected. Then talk to your fellow hunters and get them on board to not shoot any does for a couple years to let the herd bounce back. Spend the next two years killing cull bucks. Let your young studs go and things should bounce back in a couple years. There is no quick fix to EHD die offs. All you can do is quit shooting does.
 
Can you expand on that ? I thought the first half of your comment made sense, then you added in trophy hunting & antlers to the reason things have gone downhill?

How have hunters being more selective or passing up bucks hurt hunting, as opposed to shooting the first deer you see, or brown it’s down ? Just curious …

Not gonna speak for him but I think in general there is a balance to all this stuff. 30 years ago there was more deer and more gun hunters and less bitching and yet plenty of big deer to chase.. I sure as heck don’t have the answer as to why but in general our greed has done nothing but grow.


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