Champdog21
New Member
Paul, I know you like using rye and oats, but have you experimented much with triticale? Just wondered if the root system mimicked rye or wheat. I didn't know if it got stemmy like wheat does when it came time to clip it off
dbltree
Super Moderator
I have and several years back in this thread I have pics, deer don't care either way but triticale tillers like wheat and smothers clovers. It's harder to work with in the spring and doesn't have the aggressive, soil building root systems that rye does. To many negatives and no positives for me...
dbltree
Super Moderator
It should be fine, let's hope we all get rain this weekend!:way:
Champdog21
New Member
I have and several years back in this thread I have pics, deer don't care either way but triticale tillers like wheat and smothers clovers. It's harder to work with in the spring and doesn't have the aggressive, soil building root systems that rye does. To many negatives and no positives for me...
Paul I was sure you probably had, but I honestly didn't remember if you had commented before on it. I sorta figured it would tiller like wheat. I think I'll just stick with rye.
medicsnoke
Member
Whats the goal or desired height for the above grain mix to reach before frost? My mix is already 3-4 inches tall!! I thought the deer would keep it mowed down.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Guess we know who's hogging all the rain! :moon:
6-8" going into October is usually fine and as weather cools, they will start to put on the feedbag and keep things grazed down. It sometimes takes some experimentation to find a "not to early - not to late planting date" and just when you have it figured out...nature throws a cure ball!
Keep us posted this fall :way:
StickersNKickers
Camo Up!
When do you think is the latest for planting the rye mix and having it produce? Would be starting a new plot. Any changes to the mix with it being mid September?
StickersNKickers
Camo Up!
When did you seed?
dbltree
Super Moderator
Still time unless you live in northern MN?
Might leave the forage radish out but it depends on rainfall and growing days. Cold weather might be 6 weeks away which would mean everything would do fine? Always a bit of a crap shoot so if a few bucks worth of seed isn't a big deal...go for it and let us know how it worked out.
dbltree
Super Moderator
September 22nd, 2013
Chad sent in some pics of his cereal planting, very well done!
Beautiful seed bed
All he needs is rain!
Common question this year..."how long can seeds lay in the soil before a rain germinates them?" Tim sent in the answer....
More then 2 weeks between planting in bone dry soils and a good rain, yet the seeds popped up with rain!
Tim did as we do...get the seed in the ground and when rain finally comes...they will grow!
We got .600" and then .750" so hopefully our cereals will take as well!
Chad sent in some pics of his cereal planting, very well done!
Beautiful seed bed
All he needs is rain!
Common question this year..."how long can seeds lay in the soil before a rain germinates them?" Tim sent in the answer....
More then 2 weeks between planting in bone dry soils and a good rain, yet the seeds popped up with rain!
Tim did as we do...get the seed in the ground and when rain finally comes...they will grow!
We got .600" and then .750" so hopefully our cereals will take as well!
Did you completely kill off the fescue? If so, then you're asking if the fescue seed that's there will compete? Not much if that's the case. You'll be fine. After rotating it you'll be even better but you'll be in great shape with this mix out-competing fescue seed. If you are saying you didn't kill off your fescue- you got trouble.
dbltree
Super Moderator
letemgrow
PMA Member
Use clethodim to kill fescue and not clover, fescue will come back to haunt you...
Fall is the best time to really nuke the fescue too.
dbltree
Super Moderator
Sept 28th, 2013
The sun has set on another planting season for Dbltree Habitat Enhancement as Jess poured the last bag of seed in the drill...
and planted our own plots dead last
with nearly 100 acres planted...the first ones are coming up with only 3/4" of rain
Once germinated the cereals are pretty drought tolerant but will of course grow faster with more rain.
Few tenth's today an more late week will keep 'em growing! :way:
The sun has set on another planting season for Dbltree Habitat Enhancement as Jess poured the last bag of seed in the drill...
and planted our own plots dead last
with nearly 100 acres planted...the first ones are coming up with only 3/4" of rain
Once germinated the cereals are pretty drought tolerant but will of course grow faster with more rain.
Few tenth's today an more late week will keep 'em growing! :way:
dbltree
Super Moderator
Clover = Nitrogen
Scott sent a note and pics:
Planting legumes such as red clover in the fall and crimson, berseem or arrowleaf in the spring can provide your cereal mix with all it's N needs, not to mention building soil OM. Scott tilled under lush healthy crimson...
Which in turn is supplying the rye mix with N as it decomposes
and deer are happily lapping up the lush, palatable forage...
It's a perfect cycle, ideal rotation...made better yet by no-till planting! Thanks Scott and best of luck this season :way:
Scott sent a note and pics:
Now soils are not created = so always soil test for P&K, PH, micro nutrients and % organic matter when you start, bring nutrient levels up, correct PH and know where you stand in terms of OM. Nitrogen however is not store-able and low OM means it leaches away even faster.
Planting legumes such as red clover in the fall and crimson, berseem or arrowleaf in the spring can provide your cereal mix with all it's N needs, not to mention building soil OM. Scott tilled under lush healthy crimson...
Which in turn is supplying the rye mix with N as it decomposes
and deer are happily lapping up the lush, palatable forage...
It's a perfect cycle, ideal rotation...made better yet by no-till planting! Thanks Scott and best of luck this season :way:
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dbltree
Super Moderator
Oct 5th, 2013
We always plant our plots last so our cereals didn't get planted til Sept. 13th, much later then we prefer but with bone dry soils it was a moot point. Since planting we have had a few 1/2" rains, scarcely enough on such dry soil but the beauty of this mix is...it doesn't take much.
I always say "rye will grow on a brick" and our old farm lane, hard packed from 50 years of equipment traveling down it and any semblance of top soil, long ago washed away...is as close as one can come to a...brick, yet a little rain and it springs to life!
Finishing up, Jesse emptied t he drill by no-tilling unplanted spot, lane etc., in/around our plots which are together, centrally located in the center of the cover on our farm. No fertilizer, no nuthin'....
The cereal mix is a versatile, never fail mix...if it won't grow, likely nothing will
The drill insures uniform depth and coverage so germination is often better in difficult conditions...see the hairy vetch added to the mix?
Because our brassicas were planted last, some areas did not come so Jess re-drilled the r ye mix...the brassica seed despite laying there for nearly 2 months...came up with recent rains
Of course at this point the brassicas produce little but some forage nonetheless, the clovers and peas are also doing well
The cereal mix produces a tremendous amount of high quality forage
Note that even tilled under yearly, white clover keeps coming back
Egyptian wheat was also last planted but still screening the plot
No deer can pass up this gourmet buffet
Note the size of brassicas that did come up!!
Fortunately, these are cool season crops and they will grow rapidly now.... :way:
We always plant our plots last so our cereals didn't get planted til Sept. 13th, much later then we prefer but with bone dry soils it was a moot point. Since planting we have had a few 1/2" rains, scarcely enough on such dry soil but the beauty of this mix is...it doesn't take much.
I always say "rye will grow on a brick" and our old farm lane, hard packed from 50 years of equipment traveling down it and any semblance of top soil, long ago washed away...is as close as one can come to a...brick, yet a little rain and it springs to life!
Finishing up, Jesse emptied t he drill by no-tilling unplanted spot, lane etc., in/around our plots which are together, centrally located in the center of the cover on our farm. No fertilizer, no nuthin'....
The cereal mix is a versatile, never fail mix...if it won't grow, likely nothing will
The drill insures uniform depth and coverage so germination is often better in difficult conditions...see the hairy vetch added to the mix?
Because our brassicas were planted last, some areas did not come so Jess re-drilled the r ye mix...the brassica seed despite laying there for nearly 2 months...came up with recent rains
Of course at this point the brassicas produce little but some forage nonetheless, the clovers and peas are also doing well
The cereal mix produces a tremendous amount of high quality forage
Note that even tilled under yearly, white clover keeps coming back
Egyptian wheat was also last planted but still screening the plot
No deer can pass up this gourmet buffet
Note the size of brassicas that did come up!!
Fortunately, these are cool season crops and they will grow rapidly now.... :way:
arrrgh11
Member
Paul - thanks for all your advise and the great information that you put out.
I had a couple new brassica plots and with the lack of rain we got in July and August by the end of August my brassicas were almost non-existent. I made desicion to till under and plant the cereal grain mix. I am more than pleased with the results! After 1 good rain here is what the looked like after a couple weeks
I had a couple new brassica plots and with the lack of rain we got in July and August by the end of August my brassicas were almost non-existent. I made desicion to till under and plant the cereal grain mix. I am more than pleased with the results! After 1 good rain here is what the looked like after a couple weeks